If I Had Planned The Conspiracy ...

[Martin Weidmann]

I didn't say that. Either you're misreading or misrepresenting what I said. I said you've refused to believe me from the get go before anything was presented. It's just matter of habit rather than evidence or reason.

BTW, you noticed that I answered your question in the post just before the one you replied to, didn't you?

I didn't say that.

True. You said nothing of significance at all. Instead of actually providing any evidence for your claim that Carroll and Hill (who carried the revolver) were together all the time and/or that Carroll had the revolver in "unambiguous custody" until it was marked by several officers, you, rather childishly complained that I didn't believe you anyway. Since you didn't offer any evidence, what do you expect me to do? Just believe something because you said it? Really?

The fact is that the record shows that Carroll gave a revolver to Hill as they got into the car at the Texas Theater to drive Oswald to the police station, which makes the "Carroll had the revolver in "unambiguous custody" claim completely untrue.

BTW, you noticed that I answered your question in the post just before the one you replied to, didn't you?

No, you didn't answer the question. Carroll testifying that McDonald was at the personnel department "most of the time", while at the same time saying that he (Carroll) did not actually recall him sitting there, is in no way evidence for your claim that Carroll and Hill where together all the time that Hill had the revolver.

What destroys your argument completely is the fact that Hill was photographed showing a revolver to reporters and Carroll is nowhere to be seen!

Care to try again?

[Martin Weidmann]

You don't seem to understand what "shifting the burden" is. I would have been shifting the burden had I responded with "no, you prove that Carroll wasn't in the PB office." But that's not what I said. I asked him a different question: where did he get the idea that Hill just R-U-N-N-O-F-T with the revolver? He brought that notion up well before I brought Carroll into this, and so far hasn't provided any explanation where the notion came from. He brought it up, and should be able to explain where the idea came from.

Some skeptic you are, kid.

I asked him a different question: where did he get the idea that Hill just R-U-N-N-O-F-T with the revolver?

I never said that Hill "just R-U-N-N-O-F-T" with the revolver.

What I did say is that the record shows that Hill received a revolver from Carroll at the Texas Theater at about 2 PM. It also shows that a revolver was not submitted to the evidence room until well after 3 PM, which means that we don't know where the revolver was between those two times or that the revolver submitted to the evidence room was the same as the one Hill received from Carroll.

I say again; Are we really to believe that Hill and Carroll just sat around for more than an hour in the Personnel Office and then suddenly decided to mark a revolver Hill had on his person all the time?

[John Mytton]

I asked him a different question: where did he get the idea that Hill just R-U-N-N-O-F-T with the revolver?

I never said that Hill "just R-U-N-N-O-F-T" with the revolver.

What I did say is that the record shows that Hill received a revolver from Carroll at the Texas Theater at about 2 PM. It also shows that a revolver was not submitted to the evidence room until well after 3 PM, which means that we don't know where the revolver was between those two times or that the revolver submitted to the evidence room was the same as the one Hill received from Carroll.

I say again; Are we really to believe that Hill and Carroll just sat around for more than an hour in the Personnel Office and then suddenly decided to mark a revolver Hill had on his person all the time?

Unbelievable, just give it up Martin, your argument is worthless and has failed!

McDonald took the revolver from Oswald.
McDonald gave the revolver to Carroll.
Carroll gave the revolver to Hill.
Hill kept the revolver on his person till he put his name on it.

Mr. BELIN. Did you keep that gun in your possession until you scratched your name on it?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I did.

Oswald ordered the revolver in the name of his alias, Alek Hidell.



Oswald's application for PO Box 2915



Oswald ordered the revolver, to PO Box, 2915



Seaport sent the revolver to Oswald's PO Box, 2915



The shipping company was Railway Express, PO Box 2915



In Oswald's possessions was a revolver holster.




Multiple eyewitnesses saw Oswald shake the revolver shells from the revolver.

When the police arrived Ishowed [sic] one of them where I saw this man emptying his gun and we found a shell.
Barbara Jeanette Davis, Affidavit

The man that was unloading the gun was the same man I saw tonight as number 2 man in a line up.
Mrs. Virginia Davis, Affidavit

Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.

The revolver shells recovered from the murder scene were exclusively matched to Oswald's revolver.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you examine the cartridge cases in Exhibit 594 in an attempt to determine whether they had been fired in Exhibit 143, the revolver, to the exclusion of all other revolvers?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you tell us your conclusion?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. As a result of my examination, it is my opinion that those four cartridge eases, Commission Exhibit 594, were fired in the revolver, Commission Exhibit 143, to the exclusion of all other weapons.




JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Unbelievable, just give it up Martin, your argument is worthless and has failed!

McDonald took the revolver from Oswald.
McDonald gave the revolver to Carroll.
Carroll gave the revolver to Hill.
Hill kept the revolver on his person till he put his name on it.

Mr. BELIN. Did you keep that gun in your possession until you scratched your name on it?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I did.

Oswald ordered the revolver in the name of his alias, Alek Hidell.

Oswald's application for PO Box 2915

Oswald ordered the revolver, to PO Box, 2915

Seaport sent the revolver to Oswald's PO Box, 2915

The shipping company was Railway Express, PO Box 2915

In Oswald's possessions was a revolver holster.

Multiple eyewitnesses saw Oswald shake the revolver shells from the revolver.

When the police arrived Ishowed [sic] one of them where I saw this man emptying his gun and we found a shell.
Barbara Jeanette Davis, Affidavit

The man that was unloading the gun was the same man I saw tonight as number 2 man in a line up.
Mrs. Virginia Davis, Affidavit

Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.

The revolver shells recovered from the murder scene were exclusively matched to Oswald's revolver.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you examine the cartridge cases in Exhibit 594 in an attempt to determine whether they had been fired in Exhibit 143, the revolver, to the exclusion of all other revolvers?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you tell us your conclusion?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. As a result of my examination, it is my opinion that those four cartridge eases, Commission Exhibit 594, were fired in the revolver, Commission Exhibit 143, to the exclusion of all other weapons.


JohnM

Unbelievable, just give it up Martin, your argument is worthless and has failed!

Nice story, but it's the same old superficial one where it is assumed that the revolver Hill marked and submitted to the evidence room is the same one that McDonald took from Oswald.

The only thing that's missing in this "believe me because a cop said so" BS is the actual proof for that assumption.

Get back to me when you have something of value to add, John