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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2025, 08:19:07 AM »
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Then how can you see Oswald doing it?

I can't really, unless he did manage to quickly sneak upstairs and realised that he had a chance when the 6th floor suddenly cleared.

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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2025, 10:58:33 AM »
I can't really, unless he did manage to quickly sneak upstairs and realised that he had a chance when the 6th floor suddenly cleared.

By entering the TSBD through the rear door, he was near the stairs. Walking up to the sixth floor, he would only be briefly visible on 2,3,4, and 5, and while walking to his Sniper's Nest on the 6th. He could have hidden his short-rifle in or near his Sniper's Nest, and later sat down on his "sitting box," looked out the window, and told anyone who asked him what in the heck he was doing, "I'm just sittin' here a-waitin' for the parade."
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Re: The Simplest Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2025, 12:38:11 PM »
By entering the TSBD through the rear door, he was near the stairs. Walking up to the sixth floor, he would only be briefly visible on 2,3,4, and 5, and while walking to his Sniper's Nest on the 6th. He could have hidden his short-rifle in or near his Sniper's Nest, and later sat down on his "sitting box," looked out the window, and told anyone who asked him what in the heck he was doing, "I'm just sittin' here a-waitin' for the parade."

Of course but he would have been giving himself a hell of a long-shot to pull it off. There was no guarantee the floor would be clear of fellow workers.  Perhaps he couldn't believe his luck when he realised that there was nobody on the floor except himself. Who knows, if it least one person was there, he wouldn't have taken the shots at all.
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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2025, 07:03:20 PM »
I can't really, unless he did manage to quickly sneak upstairs and realised that he had a chance when the 6th floor suddenly cleared.

He chose a floor where a floor laying crew was working and where boxes were piled high to one side. He created a nest of sorts with the boxes. He did fire with three TSBD employees directly under the window from which he was firing. I don't think he "quickly snuck upstairs" or "realized he had a chance." I think he was in place with sufficient time to carry out his act. I don't think it would have made the slightest difference to him if there had been employees on the 6th floor. Once the decision was made, he was going to shoot JFK, period. What he would have done after the shooting if there had been employees up there - shoot them (I doubt it), shot himself (unlikely), left the floor brandishing the gun (possible) - is anyone's guess. He may have carried the rifle as far as he did precisely because he wasn't sure he was alone. Nothing about the circumstances suggests to me the mindset of "I'll shoot JFK only if the coast is clear and I have a realistic chance of walking out of here alive."

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« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2025, 07:51:49 PM »
Of course but he would have been giving himself a hell of a long-shot to pull it off. There was no guarantee the floor would be clear of fellow workers.  Perhaps he couldn't believe his look when he realised that there was nobody on the floor except himself. Who knows, if it least one person was there, he wouldn't have taken the shots at all.
Some manager-types had been showing off their rifles inside the TSBD a day or two earlier. If questioned in the morning why he'd brought his short-rifle to work, he could say, "To show it to the guys at lunchtime"

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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2025, 08:47:28 AM »
He may have carried the rifle as far as he did precisely because he wasn't sure he was alone.

Good point!

Some manager-types had been showing off their rifles inside the TSBD a day or two earlier. If questioned in the morning why he'd brought his short-rifle to work, he could say, "To show it to the guys at lunchtime"

Yes, that's what I always thought.

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« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2025, 05:33:59 AM »
He chose a floor where a floor laying crew was working and where boxes were piled high to one side. He created a nest of sorts with the boxes. He did fire with three TSBD employees directly under the window from which he was firing. I don't think he "quickly snuck upstairs" or "realized he had a chance." I think he was in place with sufficient time to carry out his act. I don't think it would have made the slightest difference to him if there had been employees on the 6th floor. Once the decision was made, he was going to shoot JFK, period. What he would have done after the shooting if there had been employees up there - shoot them (I doubt it), shot himself (unlikely), left the floor brandishing the gun (possible) - is anyone's guess. He may have carried the rifle as far as he did precisely because he wasn't sure he was alone. Nothing about the circumstances suggests to me the mindset of "I'll shoot JFK only if the coast is clear and I have a realistic chance of walking out of here alive."

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What he would have done after the shooting if there had been employees up there - shoot them (I doubt it), shot himself (unlikely), left the floor brandishing the gun (possible) - is anyone's guess.

This is an interesting conundrum, I've speculated in the past that Oswald crossed the floor with his rifle just in case he came across another employee who was stopping his flight from the scene of the crime, but there is still questions and further speculation.

• Why didn't Oswald just leave the rifle in the sniper's nest because if he did come across another employee on this floor he could have kept going and just mumbled something like he did with Reid?
• Did Oswald leave the rifle at the opposite side of the floor to delay it's discovery and hence give him more time but would an extra hour or so make a real difference because the shells in the sniper's nest were already a bit of a give away?
• Why didn't Oswald take the rifle down the stairs but I guess if he was discovered by the cops this would mean instant death.

To me the first option seems to make the most sense, just get the heck out of there and leave any immediate connection far behind?

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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2025, 06:29:56 AM »
This is an interesting conundrum, I've speculated in the past that Oswald crossed the floor with his rifle just in case he came across another employee who was stopping his flight from the scene of the crime, but there is still questions and further speculation.

• Why didn't Oswald just leave the rifle in the sniper's nest because if he did come across another employee on this floor he could have kept going and just mumbled something like he did with Reid?
• Did Oswald leave the rifle at the opposite side of the floor to delay it's discovery and hence give him more time but would an extra hour or so make a real difference because the shells in the sniper's nest were already a bit of a give away?
• Why didn't Oswald take the rifle down the stairs but I guess if he was discovered by the cops this would mean instant death.

To me the first option seems to make the most sense, just get the heck out of there and leave any immediate connection far behind?

JohnM

Maybe his original plan was to pick up the shells and hide his short-rifle, but he didn't see the shell from his first (i.e., while standing) shot that ended up far to his right, so he decided to leave the two under the window behind, too, and went ahead and hid his short-rifle, anyway.

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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2025, 06:29:56 AM »