How many conspirators were there? Dan O'meara says just two!

[Tom Graves]

Intrigued as I am by his "There Were Only Two Conspirators" theory, I have several questions for Dan.

Here are the first few:

1) How did your two bad guys or two bad gals or one bad guy and one bad gal create CE-399?

2) Did they borrow or steal Oswald's short-rifle and shoot CE-399 through a pig's carcass so it would be traceable to it (Oswald's short-rifle, that is)?

3) If so, why is CE-399 less deformed than the bullets some dudes shot through a pig's carcass as an experiment?

4) Could it be because CE-399 only rode along Connally's fifth rib and was tumbling / twirling when it sideswiped the radial bone in his wrist?

5) Regardless, since you say CE-399 wasn't "planted" in either the limo or Parkland Hospital but just "appeared out of thin air," where did the person who first came into "legal" possession of it (FBI agent Elmer Todd?) think it had come from . . . or was he or she one of the conspirators, too?

[John Mytton]

Another interesting observation is why would the conspirators plant a whole bullet? In another thread Dan rightfully points out that a full speed bullet that strikes bone will radically deform and at this early stage when Tomlinson discovered CE399 as it rolled out from under a mat, they iirc were still operating on Connally.
So somehow the conspirators knew the wounds, knew a fraction of lead was left behind, knew to plant a bullet with one side flattened which is totally consistent with CE399's sideways journey through Connally's torso, knew that CE399 was slowed down as it passed through Kennedy and Connally so it only fractured Connally's wrist instead of smashing it as a full speed bullet will do and then CE399 barely had enough kinetic energy left to only partially penetrate Connally's thigh.
So either the conspirators were extremely powerful clairvoyants or CE399 was by definition the only plausible bullet that satisfied all of the requirements!

JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Err...you've created this thread even though I'd already created a thread outlining my thoughts on a potential conspiracy.
Why?
Why aren't you addressing these issues on the thread i specifically said I would create to deal with your "insights".

[Tom Graves]

Why would the conspirators plant a whole bullet?

CTs argue that the bad guys and/or bad gals had to make sure the bullet had enough markings on it to be traceable to patsy Oswald's short-rifle.

(Excellent post, btw.)

[Lance Payette]

CTs argue that the bad guys and/or bad gals had to make sure the bullet had enough markings on it to be traceable to patsy Oswald's short-rifle.

(Excellent post, btw.)

Isn't the issue more fundamental? If the gunman were in the Sixth Floor sniper's test, as Dan hypothesizes, then (1) why would he not have simply used Oswald's rifle or, if it were deemed unsuitable, (2) why would he not have used a finely tuned 6.5 Carcano (or possibly a 6.5 sabot in a higher-quality gun)? This was a Presidential assassination with the resources of LBJ and Byrd, for crying out loud. Hence, why would there have been any need to plant or fabricate ANYTHING AT ALL?

I also love Dan's hypothesis that this was all highly compartmentalized, with NO POSSIBILITY of being traced to LBJ or Byrd. But his hypothesized gunman is Mac Wallace, who not only had close connections to LBJ but also a previous conviction for first-degree murder! Had Wallace been detained leaving the TSBD, the jig was up. Fortunately, both Wallace AND the patsy exited the building (and even more fortunately, ONLY the patsy was observed as he did so!).

Why does anyone keep pretending this nuttiness is worthy of discussion? If I weren't having so much fun amusing myself - I am my own best audience, I'll cheerfully admit - why would anyone keep humoring this goofy theory? Why would Dan even keep hammering away as though this were going somewhere? Hopefully you're all just having as much fun as I am. I actually think it's a useful lesson in what Conspiracy Thinking looks like.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Another interesting observation is why would the conspirators plant a whole bullet? In another thread Dan rightfully points out that a full speed bullet that strikes bone will radically deform and at this early stage when Tomlinson discovered CE399 as it rolled out from under a mat, they iirc were still operating on Connally.
So somehow the conspirators knew the wounds, knew a fraction of lead was left behind, knew to plant a bullet with one side flattened which is totally consistent with CE399's sideways journey through Connally's torso, knew that CE399 was slowed down as it passed through Kennedy and Connally so it only fractured Connally's wrist instead of smashing it as a full speed bullet will do and then CE399 barely had enough kinetic energy left to only partially penetrate Connally's thigh.
So either the conspirators were extremely powerful clairvoyants or CE399 was by definition the only plausible bullet that satisfied all of the requirements!

Very good point.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Another interesting observation is why would the conspirators plant a whole bullet? In another thread Dan rightfully points out that a full speed bullet that strikes bone will radically deform and at this early stage when Tomlinson discovered CE399 as it rolled out from under a mat, they iirc were still operating on Connally.
So somehow the conspirators knew the wounds, knew a fraction of lead was left behind, knew to plant a bullet with one side flattened which is totally consistent with CE399's sideways journey through Connally's torso, knew that CE399 was slowed down as it passed through Kennedy and Connally so it only fractured Connally's wrist instead of smashing it as a full speed bullet will do and then CE399 barely had enough kinetic energy left to only partially penetrate Connally's thigh.
So either the conspirators were extremely powerful clairvoyants or CE399 was by definition the only plausible bullet that satisfied all of the requirements!

So how do you explain that Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley all refused to ID CE399 as the bullet they handled that day. They said that they handled a very different pointed bullet.

[Tom Graves]

So how do you explain that Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley all refused to ID CE399 as the bullet they handled that day. They said that they handled a very different pointed bullet.

Did they refuse to identify CE-399 as the bullet they'd handled, or were they unable to identify it (probably because they'd failed to put their initials on it)?

How many months after 11/22/63 had it been, anyway?