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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2025, 07:01:58 PM »
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 I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2025, 07:01:58 PM »


Online Jim Hawthorn

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2025, 10:20:05 PM »
I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

Yes, I think something like that was going on - Oswald following some sort of instruction without knowing that the hit was taking place at that moment... with his rifle in the scenario. Hence, as you say, his panic run.
Not so sure about a lunchroom execution though.

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2025, 11:07:43 PM »
I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

What gun would he have "popped" himself with in the lunchroom? As an admitted amateur at assassination planning, I would have placed the Carcano under his chin and blown his head off right there in the sniper's nest. Now there is a plausible "suicide."

The problem with the "panic" explanation for Oswald's post-assassination actions is that it's completely ad hoc. You posit "panic" because you're stuck with his actions. You have a very difficult time explaining why he would've panicked unless he'd known his rifle was in the TSBD. You have a very difficult time explaining why, with his rifle in the TSBD and the Presidential motorcade going by, he would have failed to put 2+2 together and would have agreed to placidly wait in the lunchroom. If he didn't know his rifle was in the TSBD, of course, panic makes no sense. If he did know but was completely innocent, heading for the nearest policeman and cooperating fully seems more plausible to me than what he actually did. On top of all that, why would the Oswald who was cool as a cucumber in the lunchroom encounter and mystifyingly cool under interrogation have "panicked" when you say he did?

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2025, 11:07:43 PM »


Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2025, 07:49:12 PM »
Oh, the irony of that sentence is too thick to measure!

Imagine the gall of a JFKA CTer writing the above comment. Just incredible.

Pot meets Kettle (yet again).

Only because you think that disbelieving the official fantasy (and for good reason) is the same thing as a "conspiracy theory".

Don't make claims you can't prove.  Seems simple enough.

Online Tom Graves

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2025, 06:43:04 AM »
You think that disbelieving the official fantasy (and for good reason) is the same thing as a "conspiracy theory".

You don't think the Carcano that was found on the sixth floor -- with Oswald's prints on it and which the bullet fragments found in the limo and CE-399 were ballistically matched to -- belonged to Oswald.

Therefore, you believe that someone other than Oswald must have fired it and put it there so that he (Oswald) would be incriminated for the assassination.

It seems to me that you, like Dylan's "Thin Man," know there was a conspiracy, but you don't know what it was . . . because you haven't been able to think of one that makes more sense that the one proclaimed by the Warren Commission Report, especially one that wouldn't necessitate the witting involvement of oodles a gobs of bad guys and bad gals.

Yet you continue to snipe away like mad because the official story is . . . gasp . . . too implausible for your contrarian mind to believe.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2025, 06:34:18 PM »
You don't think the Carcano that was found on the sixth floor -- with Oswald's prints on it and which the bullet fragments found in the limo and CE-399 were ballistically matched to -- belonged to Oswald.

You forgot to prove it had "Oswald's prints on it", or that those  bullet fragments were "found in the limo", or that CE-399 had anything to do with the assassination.

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Therefore, you believe that someone other than Oswald must have fired it and put it there so that he (Oswald) would be incriminated for the assassination.

False dichotomy.  Next?

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2025, 06:34:18 PM »