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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2025, 01:33:34 AM »
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But Oswald's statement could mean he realized that he had been set up and that his phony defection was now being used against him. Given all that we now know about his "defection," that is a logical, plausible reading of his comment.

Keep in mind, too, Oswald's statement to his brother not to believe the "so-called evidence" against him, and his statement to the police that the backyard rifle photos had been created by someone who placed the image of his onto the backyard figure.

Also, when Oswald was arrested, he repeatedly asked why he was being arrested.

And, when he was arraigned before the judge and learned he was a suspect in JFK's death, he reacted with stunned, angry disbelief.

Finally, voice-stress analysis of his statement to reports that he didn't shoot anyone indicates he was telling the truth.

Ah, bonus points for creativity! So, the two parts of his statement were unrelated: (1) The DPD has arrested me only because I lived in Russia and, oh, by the way (2) I'm just a patsy in certain crimes apparently committed in Dallas on this day.

I will grant that Oswald played his role to an impressive hilt. I am fascinated by his demeanor in the lunchroom, his demeanor with Mrs. Reid, his demeanor during interrogation (which astonished the hardboiled Fritz), his demeanor with Marina, his statement to Robert, and his seemingly preposterous lies. One approach is to take it all at face value - he was indeed an innocent patsy. This is, however, inconsistent with his life history and what certainly seem to me to be irrefutable facts. Hence, I live with my fascination and the belief that he was intelligent and crafty enough to hope he might actually avoid conviction or, at a minimum, establish himself at trial as a deep Marxist thinker worthy of a place in history. Admitting anything wasn't going to further his cause, that's for sure - but still, the role he played is fascinating. His supposed "panic" upon leaving the TSBD, his shooting of Tippit and his actions in the Texas Theater all seem inconsistent with the rest of the role he played, which makes it even more fascinating.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2025, 01:33:34 AM »


Online Tom Graves

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2025, 02:57:34 AM »
Ah, bonus points for creativity! So, the two parts of his statement were unrelated: (1) The DPD has arrested me only because I lived in Russia and, oh, by the way (2) I'm just a patsy in certain crimes apparently committed in Dallas on this day.

I will grant that Oswald played his role to an impressive hilt. I am fascinated by his demeanor in the lunchroom, his demeanor with Mrs. Reid, his demeanor during interrogation (which astonished the hardboiled Fritz), his demeanor with Marina, his statement to Robert, and his seemingly preposterous lies. One approach is to take it all at face value - he was indeed an innocent patsy. This is, however, inconsistent with his life history and what certainly seem to me to be irrefutable facts. Hence, I live with my fascination and the belief that he was intelligent and crafty enough to hope he might actually avoid conviction or, at a minimum, establish himself at trial as a deep Marxist thinker worthy of a place in history. Admitting anything wasn't going to further his cause, that's for sure - but still, the role he played is fascinating. His supposed "panic" upon leaving the TSBD, his shooting of Tippit and his actions in the Texas Theater all seem inconsistent with the rest of the role he played, which makes it even more fascinating.

I was thinking last night about the discrepancy between what Oswald wrote in his Historic Diary regarding his suicide attempt, and what "Boskin Hospital" wrote about it, i.e., Oswald wrote that he cut both wrists, but the KGB I mean the hospital wrote in its records that he sliced just one.

Hmm.

I suppose that if the KGB wanted to train or program the former sharpshooting Marine, it would also want to make it look as though they had no interest in him because he was so gosh darned "unstable," and the only reason they let him stay (half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk) was because the mother-in-law of KGB officer Igor Kochnov (aka Kittyhawk / Kitty Hawk; look him up), Yekaterina Furtseva (look her up), intervened and . . . gasp . . . "countermanded the order of (false defector) Yuri Nosenko (LHO's case officer -- how lucky for the CIA and the FBI that he defected to us!!!) that he be kicked out of the country, and even dictated that the KGB NOT try to recruit him!!!"

Since the autopsy people in Dallas found a (shallow?) scar on both of his wrists, my theory-in-progress is that the Ruskies gave him an anesthetic and sliced both of his wrists but sewed them up right away so they could later claim, "He's so crazy, he even tried to kill himself!!! Look at those scars and read our I mean Boskin Hospital's report!!!"
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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2025, 04:41:03 AM »
But Oswald's statement could mean he realized that he had been set up and that his phony defection was now being used against him. Given all that we now know about his "defection," that is a logical, plausible reading of his comment.

Keep in mind, too, Oswald's statement to his brother not to believe the "so-called evidence" against him, and his statement to the police that the backyard rifle photos had been created by someone who placed the image of his onto the backyard figure.

Also, when Oswald was arrested, he repeatedly asked why he was being arrested.

And, when he was arraigned before the judge and learned he was a suspect in JFK's death, he reacted with stunned, angry disbelief.

Finally, voice-stress analysis of his statement to reports that he didn't shoot anyone indicates he was telling the truth.

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But Oswald's statement could mean he realized that he had been set up and that his phony defection was now being used against him. Given all that we now know about his "defection," that is a logical, plausible reading of his comment.

A "phony defection" that resulted in taking a wife, producing children and a lifelong commitment is a lot of extra baggage for a secret mission?!

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and his statement to the police that the backyard rifle photos had been created by someone who placed the image of his onto the backyard figure.

A negative exists which was exclusively taken with Oswald's camera.



On prints CE 133A/B were fine scratches indicating that they were first generation prints because 2nd generation prints would not have the same definition. Indicating that they came direct from the original negative and thus could not be a composite.



The grain structure of the negative shows a consistent distribution of film grain across the entire photo therefore it shows no sign of being a composite because this merging would require a photo of Oswald's head to be taken with the exact same type of film, the same camera and from the exact same distance as the original. And then there is the problem of matching the overhead lighting which would require dragging Oswald out into a sunlit day and position him at the same angle and at the same time. And anyway this would all be for nought because by definition at the very least a composite requires a doubling up of film and this additional film grain would stick out like a LNer at a Kook convention.



These two screen grabs from an sfx movie perfectly illustrate the problems with compositing, the first image is virtually straight from the camera whereas the second required additional compositing with an optical printer and the end result is an accumulation of film grain which blurs the image and shows excessive film grain. And for this reason alone, is proof for why the Zapruder film has not been altered because the film grain is entirely consistent with the original Kodak film.




Here's an interesting comparison between the DP backyard cut-out photo and Oswald's backyard photo and the bush to Oswald's left has shown considerable growth meaning that the cut-out photo wasn't a template for the backyard photos. And this is proof that the Oswald photo was taken many months before, so either the backyard photos were some type of long term plan or someone had the psychic ability to take a photo of Oswald's backyard in anticipation of Oswald being a patsy or simply Oswald just took the photo for the heck of it, as he was preparing and gathering intel to assassinate General Walker, an event that occurred just after Oswald received his rifle. Geez what a coincidence!



Another point of contention is Oswald's square chin in the backyard photos but this is simply the way his face is lit and the resulting shadow. Hollywood has known for years the way to light a face that emphasizes a strong jawline. Also notice the heavy shadows under the eyebrows.





And finally and extremely incriminating it's too bad Oswald denied living at Neely Street, you know the location of the backyard photos. Doh!

Mr. BALL. What about the rifle?
Mr. FRITZ. I asked him about the Neely Street address and he denied that address. He denied having a picture made over there and he even denied living there. I told him he had people who visited him over there and he said they were just wrong about visiting.


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Also, when Oswald was arrested, he repeatedly asked why he was being arrested.

How many criminals come right out and claim they did the deed? If only it was that easy.

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And, when he was arraigned before the judge and learned he was a suspect in JFK's death, he reacted with stunned, angry disbelief.

It looks like Oswald was just disappointed that his time being the centre of attention was being dramatically cut short, as the Police interrupted Oswald by dragging him away.

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Finally, voice-stress analysis of his statement to reports that he didn't shoot anyone indicates he was telling the truth.

VSA is a pseudoscientific technology that aims to infer deception from stress measured in the voice. It's amazing that you believe this to be evidence??
Ruby wanted to take a lie detector test and Oswald flat out refused. Lie detector tests at the time were probably no more effective than VSA, but the criminals didn't know and Oswald's refusal speaks volumes(pun intended).

Without exception, however, the scientific evidence reported to date shows that voice stress analyzers are not effective in detecting deception; none of these devices has yet been shown to yield detection rates above chance levels in controlled situations.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7047675/

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2025, 04:41:03 AM »


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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2025, 02:09:20 PM »
But Oswald's statement could mean he realized that he had been set up and that his phony defection was now being used against him. Given all that we now know about his "defection," that is a logical, plausible reading of his comment.

Keep in mind, too, Oswald's statement to his brother not to believe the "so-called evidence" against him, and his statement to the police that the backyard rifle photos had been created by someone who placed the image of his onto the backyard figure.

Also, when Oswald was arrested, he repeatedly asked why he was being arrested.

And, when he was arraigned before the judge and learned he was a suspect in JFK's death, he reacted with stunned, angry disbelief.

Finally, voice-stress analysis of his statement to reports that he didn't shoot anyone indicates he was telling the truth.
You've said here before that you fully believe Jim Garrison's allegations that Oswald conspired with Clay Shaw and David Ferrie to assassinate JFK and then proceeded with the help of the CIA to do so. And that, as Garrison stated in court, Oswald brought the rifle that was used in the act.

Now you are saying he was innocent, a "patsy", a person who had nothing to do with the assassination?

You also said you believe the John Newman claims that the Pentagon *not* the CIA assassinated JFK. But here you believe the Garrison allegations that it was the CIA.

Frankly, I think you need to figure out what you are thinking before you go about explaining what Oswald was thinking.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2025, 02:09:20 PM »