I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!

[Lance Payette]

This topic appears to be another failed attempt at trolling by people who have no lives 

I admittedly have no life, but I did put a fair amount of effort into my little questions as to how the CT perspective on CE 399 makes any sense at all - or, more specifically, why it isn't complete and utter nonsense.

If you would care to make an effort to address those questions in a rational and coherent manner, then you would (1) establish that you do, in fact, have a life, and (2) add some spice to my dreary non-existence. Go for it!

Do people who refer to posts of the depth and substance of mine as "trolling" actually have lives or are they, in fact, just trolling themselves? Enquiring minds want to know. Go for it - answer them there questions in a rational and coherent manner and prove you aren't one of them there trolls!

I have observed from afar that this is a new phenomenon on the Ed Forum as well. Instead of merely shifting the goal posts as they used to do whenever confronted with inconvenient facts and questions, CTers now leap to screams of "Cognitive infiltration!!!" and "Trolling!!!" whenever a Lone Nut advocate rears his or her head. It suggests a new level of, well, yes ... desperation.

[Tim Nickerson]

How do you explain JBC holding his hat next to his soon to be injured wrist over a second after JFK reacted to his throat wound?

Did the bullet pause in mid-air?

"Although the radius was shattered, the other bone is his forearm, the ulna, was intact, stabilizing his wrist and hand. All the tendons, muscles, and motor nerves that powered his fingers and thumb were also undamaged. It is sometimes claimed that there was an injury to the radial nerve, but it was actually to a small branch of the radial nerve, well below the muscles of the forearm, which could not have affected his grip. That nerve is sensory only, not affecting any movement. The one severed tendon would only have disabled the abduction of his hand at the wrist (lateral movement of the hand in the direction of the thumb). The smashing of the radius disabled the rotation of his forearm, a loss he never completely regained. Physically, however, he was as capable of gripping a hat immediately after the injury as he was before the shot." --  pages 153 and 154, of The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination, by Larry SPersonivan

https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Myths-Scientific-Investigation-Assassination/dp/1557788472

[Tim Nickerson]

Inconclusive.

We simply don't know based on the forensic evidence how many shots were fired. However, we do know that if there were more than three shots fired, there were multiple shooters.



FYI, the FBI's initial investigation concluded that three shots were fired and none missed:



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10402#relPageId=8


The SBT was born months later after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the limo.

The FBI summary report was completed without the benefit of anyone in the agency having read the autopsy report or questioning the autopsy pathologists. They were going by the FD-302 of Sibert and O'Neill.

[Tim Nickerson]

"Sam Kinney" is the name of the deceased SS agent who had a similar story about bringing a bullet to Parkland hospital:

I don't believe CE399 ended up at Parkland by chance. I believe someone placed it on a stretcher. Whether it was Landis or Kinney, I don't know.

Sam Kinney did not have a story about bringing a bullet to Parkland.  Sam Kinney's neighbor has a story about Kinney bringing a bullet to Parkland hospital. Landis is not credible.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-paul-landis-really-find-a-bullet

[John Iacoletti]

Lance Payette strawman-du-jour.

Who says CE399 was ever at Parkland?

[John Iacoletti]

That is another curious aspect of Conspiracy World. CTers seem to regard themselves as members of some monolithic Brotherhood, even though there must be at least 25 full-blown but irreconcilable conspiracy theories.

No, it's just the LN-faithful who march in lock-step like lemmings off a cliff.

[John Iacoletti]

1.   Knowing Tomlinson and Wright have found and handled a pointy-headed bullet that looks entirely different from CE 399, the conspirators nevertheless adopt Tomlinson and Wright as the linchpins of a CE 399-was-found-at-Parkland scenario and yet leave them free to say CE 399 doesn’t look like the bullet they found? Why do the conspirators do this, why do they run these seemingly insane risks? Who decided this seemed like a good plan?

2.   Why do the conspirators need Tomlinson and Wright at all? Why don’t they just say the Tomlinson bullet was unrelated to the JFKA and have a SS agent (Landis!) say CE 399 was found in the limo or fell out of Connally’s pants? How does the Tomlinson-Wright scenario make anything better?

3.   Why do the conspirators need CE 399 at all? What does it add to the Lone Nut narrative? Why do they need another bullet from Oswald’s rifle? How do they know how many fragments may eventually be found in the limo or elsewhere in Dealey Plaza? What if CE 399 turns out to make things far worse?

4.   Why do the conspirators fire CE 399 into a tank of water or cotton wool? Since they have the luxury of time, why do they generate a bullet as problematical as CE 399? Why not fire into a dead cow or even a cadaver? Fire ten bullets until one looks "just right."

5.   Is CE 399 somehow critical to the SBT? Why? Isn’t it more of a problem for the SBT than a help? Had the SBT been formulated at this early date, long before it was even a gleam in Specter’s eye?

6.   Why create a chain of custody for CE 399 that includes Tomlinson and Wright at all? Just establish a chain of custody for the pointy-headed bullet and say it turned out to be unrelated to the JFKA. Even if we ignore Tomlinson and Wright, the chain of custody for CE 399 is problematical anyway (as Thompson pointed out). Why would there be any flaws in the chain of custody if CE 399 had been created outside of Parkland? The conspirators couldn’t even get that right?

This just goes nowhere – does it, my fellow CTers? It’s just ad hoc to the 32nd degree, isn’t it? We can do better than this – can’t we?

This old tired line of argumentation is typical for the LN-evangelist who comes up short in proving that their faith-based story is actually true.  It goes like this:

This vast Conspiracy I just dreamed up in my head that plans out every little intricate possible detail in advance and never makes detectible mistakes would never do [insert contrived strawman scenario here].  Therefore, there was no conspiracy.  Therefore Oswald did it.

[John Iacoletti]

The bottom line being that the unlikely condition of CE 399 and the defects in the chain of custody actually cut in favor of authenticity.

Trying to have it both ways, take one zillion and two.

If the condition of CE 399 were "likely" and it had a valid chain of custody, then it is authentic.

If the condition of CE 399 were "unlikely" and it had no valid chain of custody, then it is authentic.

This tells me that what the LN-faithful believe has absolutely nothing to do with the actual evidence.