Why CE399 is Entirely Bogus.

[Tom Graves]

So, Lance's argument is that the reason four men did not verify CE 399 was the bullet they each had seen at an earlier time is because they all had faulty memory?

And the reason that FBI agent Odum denied ever having written the report alleging that CE 399 was verified by Tomlinson is due to faulty memory and old age?

It seems improbable, but then there is Nurse Bell in a video recording stating how she saw a bullet on JFKs stretcher between his ear lobe and his shoulder. WTF?

Now THAT IS incredible faulty memory since she said nothing about that when officially interviewed about the number of fragments she put in that little brown envelope.

How old was Odum when he said that?

[Lance Payette]

So Lance argument is that the reason 4 men whom did not verify that CE 399 was the bullet they each had seen at an earlier time , is because they all had faulty memory?

And  the reason that FBI agent Odum denied ever having written the report alleging that  CE 399 was verified  by Tomlinson, is due to faulty memory and old age?

It seems improbable , but then there is Nurse Bell in a video recording stating how she saw a bullet on JFKs stretcher between his ear lobe and his shoulder. WTF?

Now THAT IS incredible faulty memory since she said nothing about that when officially interviewed about  the no. of fragments she put in that little brown envelope.

That is not AT ALL my "argument." My "argument" here is that he who is Not Worth My Time does shlock research and doesn't know what he's talking about. The only individual in the chain of custody whose memory I might question is Wright - and we have no way of knowing how what he might have said at a trial in 1964 would have compared to what he supposedly told Tink Thompson in 1967. My "argument" regarding CE 399 is fleshed out in the thread I started this morning about the chain of custody.

Odum was 82 when he spoke with Aguilar some 38 years after the events - so I would scarcely call a faulty memory "improbable." I happen to have an extremely sharp mind at 75 and I periodically play little memory games just for fun. When I piece together events of 40 or 50 years ago, I'm always amused at how what I would have sworn had happened could not possibly have happened.

Example, one of many I could cite: I have a distinct memory of driving from Flagstaff to Tucson during my junior year in college (1971) in my 1965 GTO with the windows open. The Eagles song "One of These Nights" came on the radio. Because the windows were open, I misheard the DJ say it was the Beatles rather than the Eagles, which is why the incident has stuck with me. I would have sworn on a Bible this is what had occurred. Alas, I recently checked and "One of These Nights" was released on June 10, 1975, by which time I was three years out of college, living in Phoenix, and my way-cool GTO was long gone. I had to have been driving from Phoenix to Tucson in my 1974 VW with the windows open because it like the GTO didn't have AC.

If you're relying on the wacky Nurse Bell video, you're digging pretty deep even for a CTer.

[Jon Banks]

Parkland nurse, Phyllis Hall's testimony:

'On the cart, halfway between the earlobe and the shoulder, there was a bullet laying almost perpendicular there, but I have not seen a picture of that bullet ever,' she told The Telegraph almost 10 years ago.

Separately, she told the Sunday Mirror: 'I could see a bullet lodged between his ear and his shoulder. It was pointed at its tip and showed no signs of damage. I remember looking at it – there was no blunting of the bullet or scarring around the shell from where it had been fired.

'I'd had a great deal of experience working with gunshot wounds but I had never seen anything like this before.

'It was about one-and-a-half inches long – nothing like the bullets that were later produced.

'It was taken away but never have I seen it presented in evidence or heard what happened to it. It remains a mystery.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12509921/JFK-assassination-nurse-Phyllis-Hall-Paul-Landis.html


Parkland nurse, Sharon Tuohy, also said she saw a brass colored bullet on a stretcher:

[Lance Payette]

Sharon Tuohy, a student nurse at Parkland, was an entirely credible - indeed, fabulous - witness when interviewed by the HSCA in 1976, which was the first time she had been interviewed at all.

Here is her entire 30-minute HSCA interview, which is interesting even for her descriptions of JFK's wounds:

https://play.fountain.fm/episode/qFsKH4CaKQsifaTD82Of

Her story is entirely consistent with Tomlinson's finding of CE 399, and she possibly could have been called at trial to corroborate it, but she was not part of the chain of custody. I would not put those with more "creative" tales in the same league as Tuohy.

[Jon Banks]

Sharon Tuohy, a student nurse at Parkland, was an entirely credible - indeed, fabulous - witness when interviewed by the HSCA in 1976, which was the first time she had been interviewed at all.

Here is her entire 30-minute HSCA interview, which is interesting even for her descriptions of JFK's wounds:

https://play.fountain.fm/episode/qFsKH4CaKQsifaTD82Of

Her story is entirely consistent with Tomlinson's finding of CE 399, and she possibly could have been called at trial to corroborate it, but she was not part of the chain of custody. I would not put those with more "creative" tales in the same league as Tuohy.

To clarify, Phyllis Hall said she saw a bullet on Kennedy's stretcher and Tuohy's testimony strongly implies that she too saw a bullet on Kennedy's stretcher, not Connolly's.

So either there were multiple stretchers with multiple bullets on them or CE399 was misreported as found on JBC's stretcher.

[Lance Payette]

To clarify, Phyllis Hall said she saw a bullet on Kennedy's stretcher and Tuohy's testimony strongly implies that she too saw a bullet on Kennedy's stretcher, not Connolly's.

So either there were multiple stretchers with multiple bullets on them or CE399 was misreported as found on JBC's stretcher.

No, it doesn't. Tuohy specifically concedes the stretcher she saw could have come from anywhere in the ER area, including Trauma Room 2. Your video conveniently omits that portion of the HSCA interview. Tuohy said nothing inconsistent with CE 399.

Try reading and listening to primary sources like THE ACTUAL HSCA INTERVIEW instead of being yet another "YouTube soundbite expert."

Phyllis Hall told her fabulous tale some 50 years after the JFKA. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.

[Jon Banks]

No, it doesn't. Tuohy specifically concedes the stretcher see saw could have come from anywhere in the ER area, including Trauma Room 2. Your video conveniently omits that portion of the HSCA interview. Tuohy said nothing inconsistent with CE 399.

The origins of CE399 are inconclusive. Neither Tomlinson nor Tuohy confirmed that it was Connolly's stretcher.

The fact is, no one knows for certain how CE399 ended up on a stretcher at Parkland.

[Lance Payette]

The origins of CE399 are inconclusive. Neither Tomlinson nor Tuohy confirmed that it was Connolly's stretcher.

The fact is, no one knows for certain how CE399 ended up on a stretcher at Parkland.

Yes, that I absolutely agree with.