Why Would Tippit Leave Himself a Sitting Duck For An Armed Cold Blooded Killer ?

[John Mytton]

Yes the body language of calling Oswald over the passenger side window for a casual talk suggests they knew each other.

For what reason are you suggesting he called him over for a casual talk ?

You're still being elusive on where you think this all goes?

But ok, let's say they came across each other and we'll explore the possibilities;

1) They knew each other in not so friendly terms and Tippit pulled over to find out what Oswald was doing in the middle of the day on some back street and perhaps Tippit already had his gun unholstered and Oswald noticed and started moving away which prompted Tippit to get out?
2) They knew each and were friends, so why did Tippit get out of the car with an unholstered weapon?
3) Tippit didn't have a clue who the guy was but for some reason Oswald's actions, like perhaps changing directions, walking faster, looking away or whatever and this made Tippit suspicious, so he investigated?
4) Tippit was on the look out for a man 5 foot ten and slender so he pulled over and nonchalantly asked Oswald if he killed the President but this is absurd because as Lance points out, Tippit would pull over way behind and get out fully armed.

There are possibly other options but at this stage I pick what's behind box number 3!
Tippit was not near the Depository, this was about 45 minutes after the assassination, the weapon was a rifle, the chances that the assassin was walking around the back streets of Oak Cliff was very unlikely and Tippit doing his job saw a suspicious looking guy and just investigated.

What reinforces Oswald's suspicious behaviour is just shortly thereafter Oswald while outside of Brewers shoe shop was well aware of the Police and was actively avoiding them.

Mr. BELIN - When did he go in now? What did you hear at the time that he stepped into this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER - I heard the police cars coming up Jefferson, and he stepped in, and the police made a U-turn and went back down East Jefferson.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Safely Handling Suspicious Person Stops
June 26, 2008

"One Officer Stops

Distance Equals Time

The Reactionary Gap is a concept based on the rule that distance equals time. The gap or distance you stay away from a suspect provides time for you to respond. At touching distance a suspect can assault you before you can react and respond. Based on this response time deficit it is recommended that you maintain at least six feet from the suspect. As you close the gap to an offender to frisk or handcuff you must do so anticipating resistance and with your hands up ready to respond.


The distance from a suspect leaning into the passenger side window to the officer sitting like a duck behind the wheel being considerably less than the law enforcement recommended standard of " at least six feet distance " ,
 

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Nice try, but your "One officer stops" is specifically talking about being out in the open and outside of a car and how to avoid a physical assault!! Whereas Tippit was inside the relative safety of his car which had the window rolled up and Oswald spoke through the little vent window.



JohnM

[Jarrett Smith]

Well, this was the early 1960's things were more laid back than today. Tippit had no part in any plot to kill Oswald that was Ruby's job.

[Watson Phillips]

You're still being elusive on where you think this all goes?

But ok, let's say they came across each other and we'll explore the possibilities;

1) They knew each other in not so friendly terms and Tippit pulled over to find out what Oswald was doing in the middle of the day on some back street and perhaps Tippit already had his gun unholstered and Oswald noticed and started moving away which prompted Tippit to get out?
2) They knew each and were friends, so why did Tippit get out of the car with an unholstered weapon?
3) Tippit didn't have a clue who the guy was but for some reason Oswald's actions, like perhaps changing directions, walking faster, looking away or whatever and this made Tippit suspicious, so he investigated?
4) Tippit was on the look out for a man 5 foot ten and slender so he pulled over and nonchalantly asked Oswald if he killed the President but this is absurd because as Lance points out, Tippit would pull over way behind and get out fully armed.

There are possibly other options but at this stage I pick what's behind box number 3!
Tippit was not near the Depository, this was about 45 minutes after the assassination, the weapon was a rifle, the chances that the assassin was walking around the back streets of Oak Cliff was very unlikely and Tippit doing his job saw a suspicious looking guy and just investigated.

What reinforces Oswald's suspicious behaviour is just shortly thereafter Oswald while outside of Brewers shoe shop was well aware of the Police and was actively avoiding them.

Mr. BELIN - When did he go in now? What did you hear at the time that he stepped into this lobby area?
Mr. BREWER - I heard the police cars coming up Jefferson, and he stepped in, and the police made a U-turn and went back down East Jefferson.

JohnM

Your choice #3 does not take into account Tippits's signaling for Oswald to come forth from the rooming house just 15 minutes prior to his being gunned down ?
A first effort by Tippit for Oswald to respond at the rooming house a couple taps of the horn, more subtle than his creeping along beside him down the street talking to him, as Oswald who was no dummy, has now seen the rouse for what it is and is telling Tippit he will take care of himself, thanks but ,no thanks
You can literally see Tippit's efforts to convince Oswald that he is to be his guide through the ominous crisis that now enveloped him if he will just get in the car escalating level by level.
" Poor dumb cop" is right
Wherever alleyway or deserted spot  it was that Tippit was told to bring Oswald too they undoubtedly both with were going to be found dead in " Officer vs Fugitive" shootout .

And who is behind box number 5) With plan B to handle Tippet's failure of plan A , why non-other that Tippit's good friend, and pimp for Tippit's now pregnant stripper girlfriend, Mr. Jack Ruby.

"It is intriguing, to say the least, that Oswald's departure from the rooming house occurred only moments after the strange appearance and horn-blowing of the patrol car from the Dallas Police Department. Exhaustive investigations have virtually established that the only police car officially in the vicinity was that of Officer J. D. Tippit. Less than fifteen minutes after this incident. Officer Tippit was savagely murdered and left dead in the street about a mile from Oswald's rooming house."

[Lance Payette]

Dale Myers specifically addresses this issue at the Tippit memorial site: https://www.jdtippit.com/faq.htm

In the FAQ "Why did Tippit stop Oswald?" he takes us through the witnesses who support that Oswald abruptly changed direction from west to east and that this caught Tippit's eye.

The site prohibits copying, but the FAQ is fairly long and detailed.

This makes more sense to me than any other explanation. As Myers suggests, the radioed description of the suspect was scarcely an exact match for Oswald; the likelihood that the assassin would be strolling on the sidewalk in a residential neighborhood of Oak Cliff seems very remote; Tippit had been assigned to provide coverage in Oak Cliff, not to hunt for the assassin; and the probability is that after Oswald caught his attention he was just doing his job in a half-assed, albeit fatal, way.

Was every DPD officer who spotted a thin young guy anywhere in the city limits expected to immediately go into Possible Assassin Mode, pull his gun and call for back-up? THAT could have been exciting, eh?

I see that Watson also raised the "police car in front of Beckley issue," which I have nicely solved as a taxi on another thread, or maybe not.

[Charles Collins]

Dale Myers specifically addresses this issue at the Tippit memorial site: https://www.jdtippit.com/faq.htm

In the FAQ "Why did Tippit stop Oswald?" he takes us through the witnesses who support that Oswald abruptly changed direction from west to east and that this caught Tippit's eye.

The site prohibits copying, but the FAQ is fairly long and detailed.

This makes more sense to me than any other explanation. As Myers suggests, the radioed description of the suspect was scarcely an exact match for Oswald; the likelihood that the assassin would be strolling on the sidewalk in a residential neighborhood of Oak Cliff seems very remote; Tippit had been assigned to provide coverage in Oak Cliff, not to hunt for the assassin; and the probability is that after Oswald caught his attention he was just doing his job in a half-assed, albeit fatal, way.

Was every DPD officer who spotted a thin young guy anywhere in the CT limits expected to immediately go into Possible Assassin Mode, pull his gun and call for back-up? THAT could have been exciting, eh?

I see that Watson also raised the "police car in front of Beckley issue," which I have nicely solved as a taxi on another thread, or maybe not.

I don’t think that there is any way we will ever know for certain what caused Tippit to pull over. But Dale Myers does make a good case for that theory. I have also imagined this: provided Dale is right about the direction of LHO walking west, it appears to me that the taxi cab parked on the corner would have been prominent in LHO’s vision as he approached it. A theory that includes LHO either raising his hand to hail the taxi or LHO beginning to run towards the taxi, or both, in an effort to try to make sure that the taxi didn’t leave before he got there, could have gotten Tippit’s attention. Tippit might have even thought LHO was raising his hand as a gesture for Tippit to pull over. But, again, I don’t beleive that we will never know these things for certain.

[John Mytton]

Your choice #3 does not take into account Tippits's signaling for Oswald to come forth from the rooming house just 15 minutes prior to his being gunned down ?
A first effort by Tippit for Oswald to respond at the rooming house a couple taps of the horn, more subtle than his creeping along beside him down the street talking to him, as Oswald who was no dummy, has now seen the rouse for what it is and is telling Tippit he will take care of himself, thanks but ,no thanks
You can literally see Tippit's efforts to convince Oswald that he is to be his guide through the ominous crisis that now enveloped him if he will just get in the car escalating level by level.
" Poor dumb cop" is right
Wherever alleyway or deserted spot  it was that Tippit was told to bring Oswald too they undoubtedly both with were going to be found dead in " Officer vs Fugitive" shootout .

And who is behind box number 5) With plan B to handle Tippet's failure of plan A , why non-other that Tippit's good friend, and pimp for Tippit's now pregnant stripper girlfriend, Mr. Jack Ruby.

"It is intriguing, to say the least, that Oswald's departure from the rooming house occurred only moments after the strange appearance and horn-blowing of the patrol car from the Dallas Police Department. Exhaustive investigations have virtually established that the only police car officially in the vicinity was that of Officer J. D. Tippit. Less than fifteen minutes after this incident. Officer Tippit was savagely murdered and left dead in the street about a mile from Oswald's rooming house."

Sorry to rain on your parade but the "Police Car" that Earlene allegedly saw had two uniformed Policemen contained within! Oops!

Mr. BALL. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all.
Mr. BALL. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Oh, yes.

And just think about the timing, this was before mobile phones and for the few minutes that Oswald was in his room which according to Earlene was just long enough to get his jacket and then he walked out pretty fast, then in this thin slice of time a Police Car "tit-titted" just outside and the Police Car didn't wait for Oswald, but just drove away, Why?
Anyway, how on Earth did Tippit or whoever was driving know that Oswald was in the building at that exact time? Oswald could have been on a bus, Oswald then walked to the cab station and got in a cab which had to negotiate traffic and traffic lights and then Oswald got out of a cab way past the Rooming House and then he walked back. There are so many random variables and each event takes time, therefore the probability that the "cops" knew that Oswald was in his room at that precise time is extremely slim.

Mr. BALL. Did a police car pass the house there and honked?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. When was that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He came in the house.
Mr. BALL. When he came in the house ?
Mrs. ROBERTS. When he came in the house and went to his room, you know how the sidewalk runs?

Mr. BALL.. How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.
Mr. BALL. You recall he went out zipping it-was he running or walking?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was walking fast-he was making tracks pretty fast.
Mr. BALL. And one of the officers sounded the horn ?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Just kind of a "tit-tit"--twice

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Sorry to rain on your parade but the "Police Car" that Earlene allegedly saw had two uniformed Policemen contained within! Oops!

I'm tellin' ya, it was a taxi and its passenger! When you put together who Aunt Earlene physically was, her shifting tale, and the unlikelihood that any police car was actually in front of Beckley, Lance's Taxi LN Factoid is as solid as factoids get!