A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux

[Michael Walton]

The conspiracy doesn't have to be complicated. And it wasn't. To whit:

You have some low level people making a few bucks snitching, etc. for the good of the nation. They act like they're one thing [Marxists] but are something else [ex military, etc.]. Very similar to how Donald Trump became a paid agent of Russia today but will occasionally spout anti-Russia stuff just to keep things on the level.

Presidents used to ride in open cars with no problem. Look it up - Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy. Perfect advantage to a cross fire.

You know - on the QT - the president is traveling to Dallas. Perfect. Scout the area, create a fake sniper's nest, plant the fake gun, etc. Not hard to do.

Have your shooters practice in an undisclosed location.

The day comes, the guy taking the fall works in the fake sniper's nest building, the car comes down the street, they stick their guns out and fire [one from Dal-Tex] one from somewhere on the knoll, the deed is done. Perfect.

From there, it's easy to control the message. The Dallas police can easily be manipulated. You got the patsy going to his rooming house [how in the world could a guy making a buck 25 an hour afford to live with his wife and kids AND afford a rooming house too? Uh huh, sure].

Get him to go to the theater to "wait." Gun down a police officer and then "lead" the cops to the theater. Perfect...but not quite. Somewhere along the way, he's not murdered too during a possible shootout.

He starts spouting things when he knows the jig is up. Time to go. Let his murderer waltz right into the garage and he guns him down.

From there, it's pretty much media manipulation of the story, putting on the big show in DC, etc. Pretty much how it's going on in DC today - manipulating the MAGATs in the news.

Not too hard to do.

[Lance Payette]

The conspiracy doesn't have to be complicated. And it wasn't. To whit:

You have some low level people making a few bucks snitching, etc. for the good of the nation. They act like they're one thing [Marxists] but are something else [ex military, etc.]. Very similar to how Donald Trump became a paid agent of Russia today but will occasionally spout anti-Russia stuff just to keep things on the level.

Presidents used to ride in open cars with no problem. Look it up - Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy. Perfect advantage to a cross fire.

You know - on the QT - the president is traveling to Dallas. Perfect. Scout the area, create a fake sniper's nest, plant the fake gun, etc. Not hard to do.

Have your shooters practice in an undisclosed location.

The day comes, the guy taking the fall works in the fake sniper's nest building, the car comes down the street, they stick their guns out and fire [one from Dal-Tex] one from somewhere on the knoll, the deed is done. Perfect.

From there, it's easy to control the message. The Dallas police can easily be manipulated. You got the patsy going to his rooming house [how in the world could a guy making a buck 25 an hour afford to live with his wife and kids AND afford a rooming house too? Uh huh, sure].

Get him to go to the theater to "wait." Gun down a police officer and then "lead" the cops to the theater. Perfect...but not quite. Somewhere along the way, he's not murdered too during a possible shootout.

He starts spouting things when he knows the jig is up. Time to go. Let his murderer waltz right into the garage and he guns him down.

From there, it's pretty much media manipulation of the story, putting on the big show in DC, etc. Pretty much how it's going on in DC today - manipulating the MAGATs in the news.

Not too hard to do.

I would hope this is exceedingly tongue-in-cheek, no?

"Scout the area, create a fake sniper's nest, plant the fake gun, etc. Not hard to do."

Well, actually, phenomenally hard to do at almost every twist and turn.

In your hopefully exceedingly tongue-in-cheek way, you have made precisely the point I made in the original post in my "If I had planned the conspiracy" thread.

At some point in that thread, I did lay out a genuinely simple, plausible conspiracy theory. Like all PLAUSIBLE conspiracy theories, it involved Oswald as one of the assassins, doing everything the LN narrative posits him doing.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I would hope this is exceedingly tongue-in-cheek, no?

"Scout the area, create a fake sniper's nest, plant the fake gun, etc. Not hard to do."

Well, actually, phenomenally hard to do at almost every twist and turn.

In your hopefully exceedingly tongue-in-cheek way, you have made precisely the point I made in the original post in my "If I had planned the conspiracy" thread.

At some point in that thread, I did lay out a genuinely simple, plausible conspiracy theory. Like all PLAUSIBLE conspiracy theories, it involved Oswald as one of the assassins, doing everything the LN narrative posits him doing.

I like the "manipulating the media" part. They (yes, them again) are able to manipulate the media (the MAGATs?) for 60 years. People like Seymour Hersh and Tim Weiner, the NY Times and Washington Post, and CBS and NBC. All noted MAGATS? The NY Times and Post? Really? Two, three generations of reporters including those who exposed the abuses by the CIA and FBI.

Again: the same people and institutions that exposed the abuses such as Watergate, Vietnam and Cointelpro, were also controlled/manipulated into believing this false story? It's like the conspirators. They were both idiotic and brilliant, Gestapo and Keystone Cops. Up is down and down is up but sometimes down is down and up is up too. It's both and everything in between.

This is where they really lose me. It's one thing to argue that some 60 years ago a rogue group of CIA people with anti-Castro Cubans and maybe mobsters conspired to kill JFK. They had some assets in the DPD. Okay. But then to argue that that conspiracy was covered up all of this time, all of these decades? The Warren Commission? Okay, they were ordered to cover things up because it would have revealed the covert war on Cuba. Operation Mongoose, the assassination plots, the Mob. Lots of people would have been in trouble. But the HSCA too? The Church Committee? The news media? The same media that revealed the government's abuses but, for some reason, have covered this up?

Seymour Hersh has a revealing story where he said he once met with Oliver Stone to help him on his Noriega/Panama movie project. But all Stone wanted to talk about was how the CIA killed JFK. Eventually they had a blowup where Hersh said the whole idea was absurd, crazy. Stone looked at Hersh and replied, "I always knew you were CIA!".

But of course.

[Lance Payette]

Oh, dear, I looked at some of Michael's other posts and now fear that he is perhaps not being tongue-in-cheek.

Well, let's just go full-tilt and get it over with:

"Not hard at all ... for all-powerful, invisible aliens."

[Michael Walton]

Yep, not hard to do at all. How do we know? Because that's exactly what happened.

It seems that the media in the U.S. is easily manipulated. Just today the BBC released a video showing Russian quotes in various newspapers about his Trump this and Trump that and "we got him." If you don't believe me, look it up.

Now let's see how long the U.S. media takes to publish this as well. But they won't. Every single time the assassination is mentioned, they always - ALWAYS - bring out the same old tropes and people to say, "Nah, nothing to see here." Can't remember his name but it's the one who wrote that very inaccurate and biased book. Oh, yeah, just remembered his name - Posner. Over and over again.

The only time the media ever was fair and balanced enough about the murder was Cronkite's PBS show. But then even that was ruined by the kook David Lifton and his ridiculous "they threw his body down into the cargo hold and whisked him away on a copter so mad doctors - with scalpels at the ready - could alter the body" fable.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Support argument:
TSBD employees were apparently showing off their rifles to each other quite regularly, so another one in the building wouldn't have been a big deal. So yes, not hard at all.

Counter argument:
Michael, didn't the coloured guys on the 5th floor actually see the rifle barrel sticking out of the window above them and heard the cartridges hit the floor?

[Tom Graves]

Yep, not hard to do at all. How do we know? Because that's exactly what happened.

It seems that the media in the U.S. is easily manipulated. Just today the BBC released a video showing Russian quotes in various newspapers about his Trump this and Trump that and "we got him." If you don't believe me, look it up.

Now let's see how long the U.S. media takes to publish this as well. But they won't. Every single time the assassination is mentioned, they always - ALWAYS - bring out the same old tropes and people to say, "Nah, nothing to see here." Can't remember his name but it's the one who wrote that very inaccurate and biased book. Oh, yeah, just remembered his name - Posner. Over and over again.

The only time the media ever was fair and balanced enough about the murder was Cronkite's PBS show. But then even that was ruined by the kook David Lifton and his ridiculous "they threw his body down into the cargo hold and whisked him away on a copter so mad doctors - with scalpels at the ready - could alter the body" fable.

LOL!

[Lance Payette]

When arguments such as Michael's are made, I ask the person to think about:

1. How many Presidents, CIA Directors, FBI Directors, Directors of National Intelligence and employees of those agencies have there been since 1963? I posted a list at the Ed Forum of all the CIA, FBI and NI Directors since 1963 and their incredible diversity of political affiliations, educational and employment backgrounds, etc., etc. Many of these, understandably, were men and women of the highest caliber and moral integrity in every area of their lives. Is it reasonable to believe they ALL conspired for 60+ years to hide the Dark Truth and perpetuate the LN Myth?

2. Likewise, how many prominent investigative journalists and media figures have there been since 1963? How many of them have broken massive stories that were highly embarrassing to the government? How many of them would absolutely love to be the one who breaks the JFKA? Is it reasonable they have all conspired for 60+ years to hide the Dark Truth and perpetuate the LN Myth or been intimidated into doing so?

3. Likewise, how many professional historians have passed through the halls of academia since 1963? Is it plausible that they would all have conspired or been intimated into hiding the Dark Truth and perpetuating the LN Myth?

The reality is, 60+ years of conspiracy theorizing have not dented the LN narrative and likely never will, barring some gigantic and unequivocal revelation. The LN narrative likely will be the verdict of history 60+ years from now just as it has been since 1964. Conspiracy theorizing will always continue to be a fringe activity for the proverbial "buffs."

I used to make the same point in the UFO field, where "the government" has supposedly been hiding the Alien Truth since 1947. How would that work??? All I can think of is some secret cabal that has existed since 1947, with the members carefully hiding the secrets from anyone else and passing them on to generation after generation of their own children and grandchildren. Really?

Explain to us, if you can, how this hiding of the Dark Truth, perpetuation of the LN Myth, and manipulation/intimidation of journalists and historians over a period of 60+ years actually would have worked in the real world.