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Online Jim Hawthorn

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Re: A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2025, 09:48:57 AM »
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That was 14-year-old Amos Euins.

Ah yes. Thanks. This report says he was 16 years old (wrong?)

New York Times - November 24, 1964, Page 32


WASHINGTON, Nov. 23 (UPI)

At about 12:20 P.M. on Nov. 22, 1963, 16‐year‐old Amos Lee Euins was standing near the corner of Elm and Houston Streets in Dallas, watching President Kennedy's motorcade go by.
As he later recalled in sworn testimony before the Warren Commission, he was across the street from the, Texas School Book Depository building and “looking dead at the building.”
“I seen this pipe thing sticking out the window,” he said. “I wasn't paying too much attention to it. Then when the first shot was fired, I started looking around, thinking it was a backfire. Everybody else started looking around. Then I looked up at the window and he shot again ... I could see his hand, and I could see his other hand on the trigger.”
Young Euins was one of three eyewitnesses who actually saw, the assassin firing the fatal bullets from a sixth‐story window. Their testimony was made public today as part of the 26‐volume transcript of the Warren Commission's hearing.
The youth was unable to furnish any physical description of the assassin beyond the fact that “he had a bald spot on his head.”

However, Howard Leslie Brennan, a 45‐year‐old steamfitter, got a good look at the man in the window. Said Mr. Brennan:
‘“He was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with the gun shouldered to. his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim. ... He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure himself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.”
Mr. Brennan described the assassin as a “neat, slender” white man in his early 30's, about 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing from 160 to 170 pounds and dressed in light‐colored clothes.
Mr. Brennan picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a police lineup as a man “closely resembling” the one he saw, but he declined in his first interviews with police and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents to make a positive identification.
He told the Warren Commission later that he actually was fairly certain all along that Oswald was the man, but hesitated to identify him positively because he thought the assassination was part of a Communist plot. He said he feared that “If it got to be a known fact that I was an eyewitness, my family or I . . . might not be safe.”

The third eyewitness was James Richard Worrell Jr., 20, an unemployed laborer. He testified that he looked up at the sixth‐story window after hearing the first shot and saw the rifle aimed at Kennedy.
There was no doubt in Mr. Worrell's mind that the rifle was actually fired. He saw “a little flame and smoke” spit from the barrel on the second and third shots, but he couldn't see the rifleman.
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2025, 09:57:16 AM »
Ah yes. Thanks. This report says he was 16 years old (wrong?)

New York Times - November 24, 1964, Page 32


WASHINGTON, Nov. 23 (UPI)—At about 12:20 P.M. on Nov. 22, 1963, 16‐year‐old Amos Lee Euins was standing near the corner of Elm and Houston Streets in Dallas, watching President Kennedy's motorcade go by.

As he later recalled in sworn testimony before the Warren Commission, he was across the street from the, Texas School Book Depository building and “looking dead at the building.”

“I seen this pipe thing sticking out the window,” he said. “I wasn't paying too much attention to it. Then when the first shot was fired, I started looking around, thinking it was a backfire. Everybody else started looking around. Then I looked up at the window and he shot again ... I could see his hand, and I could see his other hand on the trigger.”

Young Euins was one of three eyewitnesses who actually saw, the assassin firing the fatal bullets from a sixth‐story window. Their testimony was made public today as part of the 26‐volume transcript of the Warren Commission's hearing.

The youth was unable to furnish any physical description of the assassin beyond the fact that “he had a bald spot on his head.” However, Howard Leslie Brennan, a 45‐year‐old steamfitter, got a good look at the man in the window.

Said Mr. Brennan:

‘“He was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with the gun shouldered to. his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim. ... He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure himself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.”

Mr. Brennan described the assassin as a “neat, slender” white man in his early 30's, about 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing from 160 to 170 pounds and dressed in light‐colored clothes.

Mr. Brennan picked Lee Harvey Oswald out of a police lineup as a man “closely resembling” the one he saw, but he declined in his first interviews with police and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents to make a positive identification.

He told the Warren Commission later that he actually was fairly certain all along that Oswald was the man, but hesitated to identify him positively because he thought the assassination was part of a Communist plot. He said he feared that “If it got to be a known fact that I was an eyewitness, my family or I . . . might not be safe.”

The third eyewitness was James Richard Worrell Jr., 20, an unemployed laborer. He testified that he looked up at the sixth‐story window after hearing the first shot and saw the rifle aimed at Kennedy.

There was no doubt in Mr. Worrell's mind that the rifle was actually fired. He saw “a little flame and smoke” spit from the barrel on the second and third shots, but he couldn't see the rifleman.

Wrong.

Yet another anomaly in the anomaly-replete JFKA which the KGB* took advantage of from Day One to make cynical, paranoiac and apathetic our body politic so that it could eventually install someone like The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) as our "President" in 2017 and 2025.

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2025, 10:31:25 AM »
Although not interested in who did it, I will say this - KGB had nothing to do with it. Nor did Cuba. It was totally and completely an inside job. Neither of these places could have controlled the narrative the way it eventually was controlled via the media and the Warren Report.

Also, neither entity could have had so much access to get Ruby in place to murder Oswald. Again, another inside job.

I'm surprised people have a hard time realizing this. It's very, very obvious.

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2025, 10:39:54 AM »
Although not interested in who did it, I will say this - KGB had nothing to do with it. Nor did Cuba. It was totally and completely an inside job. Neither of these places could have controlled the narrative the way it eventually was controlled via the media and the Warren Report.

Also, neither entity could have had so much access to get Ruby in place to murder Oswald. Again, another inside job.

I'm surprised people have a hard time realizing this. It's very, very obvious.
I didn't say the KGB* or Cuba had something to do with it, John Boy.

What you and Simpich, et al., need to realize is that neither did the evil, evil, evil CIA, the evil, evil, evil FBI, the evil, evil, evil Secret Service, the evil, evil, evil DPD, nor the evil, evil, evil [fill in the blank].

What I did say is that the KGB* has "made hay" out of the anomaly-replete JFKA from Day One, and that their doing so helped to make our body politic so cynical, paranoiac and apathetic that "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was able to install his "useful idiot" (or worse), Donald J. Trump, as our "President" in 2017 and 2025.

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Re: A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2025, 10:44:05 AM »
Although not interested in who did it, I will say this - KGB had nothing to do with it. Nor did Cuba. It was totally and completely an inside job. Neither of these places could have controlled the narrative the way it eventually was controlled via the media and the Warren Report.

I feel that the huge "inside job" was only about the control of the aftermath of the assassination. The political necessity to pin the thing on a lone nut.
I remain unconvinced that the plot to kill Kennedy was implemented by that same entity.
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2025, 10:10:41 PM »
I feel that the huge "inside job" was only about the control of the aftermath of the assassination. The political necessity to pin the thing on a lone nut.
I remain unconvinced that the plot to kill Kennedy was implemented by that same entity.

The cover-up to pin the JFKA on a Lone Nut doesn't mean a Lone Nut didn't do it. I happen to believe there was an effort to sell the LN narrative because of legitimate concern that Russia, Cuba and even LBJ would seem like obvious suspects to the public ... but I also believe Oswald did it. There was a secondary cover-up by the agencies with egg on their face for failing to have kept tabs on Oswald.

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Re: A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2025, 10:28:22 PM »
I feel that the huge "inside job" was only about the control of the aftermath of the assassination. The political necessity to pin the thing on a lone nut.
I remain unconvinced that the plot to kill Kennedy was implemented by that same entity.
So they knew who really killed JFK and covered up for them? Them being? The Soviets? Castro? Rogue CIA? For political necessity at that time? And then the HSCA continued with this necessary coverup? The Church Committee? The news media?

You start with a plausible argument for the original coverup/suppression but then it all falls apart when you have to explain the subsequent coverups. By people who weren't even alive or very young at the time of the original crimes?

It's been a 60 plus year series of necessary coverups?

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Re: A Very Simple Conspiracy Redux
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2025, 10:47:02 PM »
In 1993, the PBS investigatory/documentary program "Frontline" devoted five years and millions of dollars investigating the assassination. The reporters and editors traveled around the world during the investigation. It culminated in the show "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?": https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/oswald/

Conclusion: It was Oswald. Did they cover up what happened too? At some point don't you have to ask yourself, "Gosh, all of these people couldn't have been part of the coverup?"


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