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Offline Michael Walton

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Pat Speer Has Done an Excellent Job
« on: April 19, 2025, 02:20:38 PM »
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Pat Speer is one of the most straightforward, accurate and well-researched researchers in the JFK case. He did an outstanding job on this video he made and I highly advise new visitors to go to his website and discover many revealing and truthful bits. It's at patspeer.com.

But this video is one of the best:


There's no doubt in my mind that there was a conspiracy in this case.

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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2025, 02:37:31 PM »
Pat Speer is one of the most straightforward, accurate and well-researched researchers in the JFK case. He did an outstanding job on this video he made and I highly advise new visitors to go to his website and discover many revealing and truthful bits. It's at patspeer.com.

But this video is one of the best:


There's no doubt in my mind that there was a conspiracy in this case.

Pat Speer is a wonderful researcher who does not hesitate to tell other CTers when they are making fools of themselves, as he has done this very day at the Ed Forum when Vince Palamara posted a video to the effect that JFK HAD NO BRAIN after the assassination. By no means do I agree with all of Pat's conclusions, but I respect them and regard his site as a goldmine. I have had only a few Ed Forum and private interactions with him, but he has always been entirely gentlemanly. If you don't visit the Ed Forum regularly, you would be astonished at the utter crap someone of Pat's caliber has to put up with by the utter loons, including the current moderators who are so far into the ozone they would be my candidates for likely "cognitive infiltrators" (or non-cognitive infiltrators, as the case may be).

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2025, 04:05:49 PM »
   How about cutting "Vince" some slack? He is branching out with respect to the JFK Assassination. His many recent You Tube postings covering numerous JFK Assassination issues are very helpful. Especially for several generations that are Now just becoming interested in this murder investigation. Dog piling Palamara will Not solve this case. As to the Ed Forum, that place is too "stuffy" for me.  Whenever there, I find myself anticipating a Ben Stein post of, "Bueller.................Bueller...................Bueller".  Palamara, Rep Luna, Oliver Stone, etc, ALL attract attention to this Unsolved Murder Case. Bottom line, that's a very good thing. YOU can always go contrarian if you feel the need to set the record straight. You do Not need to stand on the shoulders of Speer to achieve this.   
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2025, 04:36:06 PM »
   How about cutting "Vince" some slack? He is branching out with respect to the JFK Assassination. His many recent You Tube postings covering numerous JFK Assassination issues are very helpful. Especially for several generations that are Now just becoming interested in this murder investigation. Dog piling Palamara will Not solve this case. As to the Ed Forum, that place is too "stuffy" for me.  Whenever there, I find myself anticipating a Ben Stein post of, "Bueller.................Bueller...................Bueller".  Palamara, Rep Luna, Oliver Stone, etc, ALL attract attention to this Unsolved Murder Case. Bottom line, that's a very good thing. YOU can always go contrarian if you feel the need to set the record straight. You do Not need to stand on the shoulders of Speer to achieve this.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2025, 05:04:16 PM »
Mr. Speer does really terrific work but on the fundamental question of a conspiracy, which he believes happened, he is flailing around. He admits that he doesn't know who shot JFK, who the shooters were. That is, he doesn't know whether it was the CIA or the mob or anti-Castro Cubans or some combination of them. Or even some other group. Fine, good for him for admitting this. Very few conspiracists say "I don't know."

But he says he knows with "100% confidence there was a conspiracy"? He knows this? So he says he has no idea who the shooters were (he's absolutely sure Oswald wasn't one of them) but they, again whoever they were, were working together? How can he know this with 100% confidence? Obviously, as the HSCA said, if there was a second shooter then JFK was "probably" killed as a result of a conspiracy. But "probable" is not 100%. That sounds pedantic but I don't think it is.

Anyway, he's very good at studying/finding primary sources, original material. He's a conspiracy version of Fred Litwin. But when he thinks, as it seems he too often does, that he can read a medical technical book for a month or two and opine on matters that people take decades-plus studying he is, as the saying goes, "over his skis". People spend decades and more on these highly technical issues. Then after earning their degree they often go back to school and study more; or keep up on the latest discoveries. It's not something you can pick up in a month or two. Or even a year. Or two. It's a lengthy process. It's why their education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and they are paid that much for their work. Yet he thinks he knows this as well as these other men and women? Sorry, no.

Here is the CV of forensic pathologist Peter Cummings. He didn't earn this reading medical books for a year or two.

Link: https://www.bumc.bu.edu/anatneuro/files/2015/11/Peter-Cummings-M.Sc_.-M.D.-CV.pdf

"Dr. Cummings is board certified in anatomic pathology, neuropathology and forensic pathology. He earned his medical degree from the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, Ireland and completed his pathology training at the University of Virginia. He also earned a Masters degree in pathology from Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia and a B.A. from the University of Maine. Formally, Dr. Cummings worked as a medical examiner at the Massachusetts Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. He was a member of the SwissAir Flight 111 identification team in 1998 and during the summer of 2002, worked on identification process of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center."







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Offline Lance Payette

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2025, 06:25:27 PM »
   How about cutting "Vince" some slack? He is branching out with respect to the JFK Assassination. His many recent You Tube postings covering numerous JFK Assassination issues are very helpful. Especially for several generations that are Now just becoming interested in this murder investigation. Dog piling Palamara will Not solve this case. As to the Ed Forum, that place is too "stuffy" for me.  Whenever there, I find myself anticipating a Ben Stein post of, "Bueller.................Bueller...................Bueller".  Palamara, Rep Luna, Oliver Stone, etc, ALL attract attention to this Unsolved Murder Case. Bottom line, that's a very good thing. YOU can always go contrarian if you feel the need to set the record straight. You do Not need to stand on the shoulders of Speer to achieve this.

I'm perfectly happy to cut Vince slack. At worst, he's a genial goof and at best has done some interesting work. He was once actually pleased that I gave one of his books a 3-star Amazon review instead of the knee-jerk 1-star review he expects from most LNers. Nevertheless, he posted an absurd YouTube video and Pat Speer called him on it, coincidentally just this morning.

The Ed Forum stuffy? That would hardly be my word. I left on perfectly good terms - Kathy Beckett said she was sorry to see me go and that I would be welcome back at any time. It has descended so far just in the couple of years since I left that it is having the internet forum version of a Near-Death Experience. As lead moderator, they replaced a foaming-at-the-mouth Harvey & Lee enthusiast with a foaming-at-the-mouth 9/11 Truther who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a CIA-sponsored cognitive infiltrator. It's more like Looney Tunes than stuffy.

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Re: Pat Speer Has Done an Excellent Job
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2025, 07:03:26 PM »
Pat Speer is one of the most straightforward, accurate and well-researched researchers in the JFK case. He did an outstanding job on this video he made and I highly advise new visitors to go to his website and discover many revealing and truthful bits. It's at patspeer.com.

But this video is one of the best:


There's no doubt in my mind that there was a conspiracy in this case.

I have been very impressed by Pat Speer's chapters on the X-Rays and head wounds. I would say that he's second to none on those two aspects of the case. Which makes me rather uncomfortable with this presentation of his. I'm not convinced that he's right in saying that Lawrence Angel and others were wrong. Pat has proven them to be wrong on other findings of theirs though. The 6.5mm opaque object being one. Pat has the rear scalp being reflected from right to left, not from the top down, as is typical. Perhaps, he addresses that in part 2.

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2025, 07:21:55 PM »
Mr. Speer does really terrific work but on the fundamental question of a conspiracy, which he believes happened, he is flailing around. He admits that he doesn't know who shot JFK, who the shooters were. That is, he doesn't know whether it was the CIA or the mob or anti-Castro Cubans or some combination of them. Or even some other group. Fine, good for him for admitting this. Very few conspiracists say "I don't know."

But he says he knows with "100% confidence there was a conspiracy"? He knows this? So he says he has no idea who the shooters were (he's absolutely sure Oswald wasn't one of them) but they, again whoever they were, were working together? How can he know this with 100% confidence? Obviously, as the HSCA said, if there was a second shooter then JFK was "probably" killed as a result of a conspiracy. But "probable" is not 100%. That sounds pedantic but I don't think it is.

Anyway, he's very good at studying/finding primary sources, original material. He's a conspiracy version of Fred Litwin. But when he thinks, as it seems he too often does, that he can read a medical technical book for a month or two and opine on matters that people take decades-plus studying he is, as the saying goes, "over his skis". People spend decades and more on these highly technical issues. Then after earning their degree they often go back to school and study more; or keep up on the latest discoveries. It's not something you can pick up in a month or two. Or even a year. Or two. It's a lengthy process. It's why their education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and they are paid that much for their work. Yet he thinks he knows this as well as these other men and women? Sorry, no.

Here is the CV of forensic pathologist Peter Cummings. He didn't earn this reading medical books for a year or two.

Link: https://www.bumc.bu.edu/anatneuro/files/2015/11/Peter-Cummings-M.Sc_.-M.D.-CV.pdf

"Dr. Cummings is board certified in anatomic pathology, neuropathology and forensic pathology. He earned his medical degree from the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, Ireland and completed his pathology training at the University of Virginia. He also earned a Masters degree in pathology from Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia and a B.A. from the University of Maine. Formally, Dr. Cummings worked as a medical examiner at the Massachusetts Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. He was a member of the SwissAir Flight 111 identification team in 1998 and during the summer of 2002, worked on identification process of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center."

Cummings makes the argument that the Bethesda pathologists got it right in their placement of the entry wound. Pat Speer has previously made the case that the Bethesda pathologists got it right as well. With this presentation, he is saying otherwise.

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