JFKA CTs need to believe a government agency or rogue actors thereof killed JFK

[Tom Graves]

How many millions of people did our government kill between Vietnam in the 1960s and the Middle East today? Easily several million between Vietnam and Iraq alone.

Trump is mass murdering innocent people in Yemen while also assisting Israel's mass murder of Palestinians.

He is also kidnapping immigrants and sending them to a gulag in El Salvador.

We are not exceptional.

Trump is probably more your fault than mine, Banksie, because gullible Far-Lefty that you are, you've probably been more than willing to spout KGB*-promulgated anti-government CTs (including those about the JFKA) which have had the cumulative effect over the past sixty-plus years of making our body politic sufficiently cynical, paranoiac, and apathetic as to enable "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin to install his "useful idiot" (or worse), Donald J. Trump, as our "President."

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Jon Banks]

I want to elaborate on my earlier comment to Steve about the CIA going rogue for more clarity:

Do I believe it's plausible that plotting JFK's assassination was ever official CIA policy? No. I don't think the CIA director ordered a hit on Kennedy.

At worst, I find it plausible that some individual CIA officers and contractors went rogue against Kennedy. Which is close to the HSCA's conclusion.

A year or so ago, I listened to a podcast that featured legendary CIA officer, Felix Rodriguez. In explaining the differences between the CIA today and the 1960s, he basically said, back then, they would do unethical stuff and let the CIA's lawyers clean it up afterwards. In contrast, today, the CIA officers talk to lawyers before proceeding with operations.

Under the context of the CIA's earlier years when there were agents who did some things that they had to hide from the President and even the CIA director, I don't find it implausible that some CIA operatives could've been involved in a plot against JFK. Recently declassified files have confirmed that upper levels of the CIA didn't know much about some of James Angelton's most secret operations. He hid stuff from everyone, including people who worked closely with him. And it's well known that CIA officers hid stuff from John McCone, Kennedy's pick for CIA director, after Dulles was fired.

If all of that is true or even suspected of being true, it would be in the interest of the CIA as an agency to cover up any potential links to Oswald or the Kennedy assassination rather than come clean about the possible involvement of their guys.

It's that context which explains why the CIA didn't disclose to the HSCA that George Joannides ran the DRE at the time when LHO was engaging with their operations in New Orleans. And why James Angelton lied under oath to the HSCA about his interest in Oswald prior to the assassination.

[Richard Smith]

How many millions of people did our government kill between Vietnam in the 1960s and the Middle East today? Easily several million between Vietnam and Iraq alone.

Trump is mass murdering innocent people in Yemen while also assisting Israel's mass murder of Palestinians.

He is also kidnapping immigrants and sending them to a gulag in El Salvador.

We are not exceptional.

Trump is massing murdering innocent people in Yemen?  Yemen is a terrorist state that fires on US warships and international shipping like pirates.  Israel is mass murdering Palestinians?  You mean the barbarians who attacked them murdering and raping and taking hostages including infants that they hold to this day?  The same people who have vowed as the formal policy of their government to wipe out Israel and the US off the face of the map in an act of genocide.   And you are concerned about an illegal alien who beat his wife and had ties to criminal terrorist gangs.  That's the guy you are concerned about?  Did you voice concern for the "Maryland women" who was a US citizen who was abducted, raped, beaten to death with a rock by an illegal alien?  Was she not "exceptional" enough for you? 

[Jon Banks]

Trump is massing murdering innocent people in Yemen?

Yes. He proudly boasted about bombing a prayer circle in Yemen last week.

Militants don't gather in a circle out in the open when they know they're being surveilled by US drones and satellites but tribal people in Yemen traditionally do that.

Many civilians have been killed so far in his unauthorized war against Yemen.

Israel has killed 18,000 children since 2023. I thought Republicans were pro-life and believed "all lives matter"?

[Tom Graves]

James Angelton lied under oath to the HSCA about his interest in Oswald prior to the assassination.

Did former Marine U-2 radar operator Oswald describe himself as a Marxist to Consul Richard Snyder in Moscow, tell him that he wanted to renounce his American citizenship, and say that he planned to tell the Soviets "something of special interest"? Did he then proceed to live half-a-mile from a KGB school for two-and-one-half years in Minsk? Did he marry a former KGB Leningrad "swallow" whose uncle was an MVD colonel and who had to be at the very least, according to KGB true defector Pyotr Deriabin, a low-level KGB informant? Did he talk with Soviet Embassy security officer Ivan Obyedkov over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line in Mexico City on 10/1/63, during which conversation Obyedkov volunteered to him that the name of the Soviet diplomat he'd met with at the Consulate a couple of days earlier was "Kostikov," i.e., KGB Colonel Valeriy Kostikov, someone the CIA and FBI (mistakenly?) believed at the time was a high-level officer in the First Chief Directorate's (today's SVR's) assassinations and sabotage section, Department 13?

If so, wouldn't the CIA have had good reason to be interested in Oswald prior to the assassination?

[Jon Banks]

Did former Marine U-2 radar operator Oswald describe himself as a Marxist to Consul Richard Snyder in Moscow, tell him that he wanted to renounce his American citizenship, and say that he planned to tell the Soviets "something of special interest"? Did he then proceed to live half-a-mile from a KGB school for two-and-one-half years in Minsk? Did he marry a former KGB Leningrad "swallow" whose uncle was an MVD colonel? Did he talk with Soviet Embassy security officer Ivan Obyedkov over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line in Mexico City on 10/1/63, during which conversation Obyedkov volunteered to him that the name of the Soviet diplomat he'd met with at the Consulate a couple of days earlier was "Kostikov," i.e., KGB Colonel Valeriy Kostikov, someone the CIA and FBI (mistakenly?) believed at the time was a high-level officer in the First Chief Directorate's (today's SVR's) assassinations and sabotage section, Department 13?

If so, wouldn't the CIA have had good reason to be interested in Oswald prior to the assassination?

Yes. Why then, did they lie about it if the basis for their interest was as innocent as you describe? I think we all can agree that Oswald's visit to the Soviet Union should have raised alarm bells at the CIA and FBI. If that's all there was to it, there's no sense in lying about it and keeping secrets about it decades later.

Therefore we can reasonably speculate that there was more to it than you describe...

[Tom Graves]

Yes. Why then, did they lie about it if the basis for their interest was as innocent as you describe? I think we all can agree that Oswald's visit to the Soviet Union should have raised alarm bells at the CIA and FBI. If that's all there was to it, there's no sense in lying about it or keeping secrets about it decades later.

Banksie,

Please freshen my memory -- How, exactly, did James Angleton "lie" about his interest in Oswald?

Regardless, JFKA conspiracy theorist John M. Newman (author of the 1995/2008 book, "Oswald and the CIA"), who used to think James Angleton was the mastermind of the JFKA, now says in his 2022 book, "Uncovering Popov's Mole," that a KGB mole by the name of Bruce Leonard Solie sent (or duped his confidant, protégé, and mole-hunting subordinate, Angleton, into sending) Oswald to Moscow in 1959 as an ostensible "dangle" in a (unbeknownst to Angleton and Oswald) planned-to-fail hunt for "Popov's Mole" / "Popov's U-2 Mole" (Solie) in the wrong part of the CIA -- the Soviet Russia Division -- which mole hunt lasted nine years, tore the SRD apart, and drove Angleton nuts.

Factoid: Newman dedicated his book to the aforementioned CIA good-guy, Tennent H. Bagley (look him up).

[Jon Banks]

Banksie,

Please freshen my memory -- How, exactly, did James Angleton "lie" about his interest in Oswald?

He denied that Oswald was ever the subject of a CIA operation. We can say with absolute certainty today that he lied:


Link - https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Morley-Written-Testimony.pdf


Again, if his reasons for surveilling Oswald were so obviously innocent, why lie about it?

PS: I prefer the nickname "Banksy". Great street artist.