Buell Wesley Frazier

[Walt Cakebread]

He didn't assume that Lee was going to buy his lunch.  He assumed that Lee was going to buy his lunch from that catering service man.

Ok, I dig....  Frazier said that Lee told him that he was going to buy his lunch ......

Mr. BALL - Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked like a lunch package that morning?
Mr. FRAZIER - You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn't take his lunch because I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.
Mr. BALL - He told you that that day, did he?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. That is right. So, I assumed he was going to buy it, you know, from that catering service man like a lot of the boys do. They don't bring their lunch but they go out and buy their lunch there.

BUT...   This is Warren Commission  crap....  In other statements Frazier never mentions anything about Lee saying he was going to buy his lunch.... Initially Frazier said that he noticed the flimsy brown paper sack on the seat and asked "what's that?"   Later Frazier changed that to "What's in the sack Lee ?"    Frazier said that Lee told him the sack contained curtain rods.  Initially Frazier said that he dismissed the sack from his mind when Lee said it was curtain rods, but when he was telling the Warren Commission what they wanted him to say he then says that it wasn't he sack that first caught his attention it was the absence of a lunch .....I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.   

Captain Fritz said that on Saturday 11 /23/63   he asked Lee if he had told Frazier that there were curtain rod in the sack and Lee said that he never said anything like that to Frazier.   

Fritz had ordered Frazier to return to the police station at about 9:00pm 11/22/63  to take a polygraph test which focused on the curtain rods....And yet Fritz never asked Lee about curtain rods until Saturday afternoon?

[Walt Cakebread]

Well, Buell is a friend and I know him very well.  That being said, friends can lie.  Friends can "conveniently" forget.  I don't think he's a liar nor has he forgotten anything. He had no reason to lie about anything at all. He was 19.  He was threatened with a Decker Hold.  He stood up for himself and he told the truth.  He has never believed Oswald took a shot.

I believe that Wes Frazier is human.....  He was a frightened kid manipulated by unscrupulous ruthless men when this mess was thrust upon him.

He lied....It's as simple as that.     Lee never told him that the flimsy paper sack contained curtain rods.....But the cops DID tell him that Lee had denied carrying a rifle in that paper sack, and Lee had claimed that the bag contained curtain rods.  Buell being a scared kid saw no harm in supporting Lee so he said that Yes lee had told him that there were curtain rods in that 28 inch long sack.   Then the wily conspirators  pretended to administer  polygraph in which they said that the lie detector showed that he was telling the truth about the curtain rod story....

[Martin Weidmann]

I believe that Wes Frazier is human.....  He was a frighten kid manipulated by unscrupulous ruthless men when this mess was thrust upon him.

He lied....It's as simple as that.     Lee never told him that the flimsy paper sack contained curtain rods.....But the cops DID tell him that Lee had denied carrying a rifle in that paper sack, and Lee had claimed that the bag contained curtain rods.  Buell being a scared kid saw no harm in supporting Lee so he said that Yes lee had told him that there were curtain rods in that 28 inch long sack.   Then the wily conspirators  pretended to administer  polygraph in which they said that the lie detector showed that he was telling the truth about the curtain rod story....

Walt, I really don't understand why you present this as if it is fact, when it is clearly only what you think happened.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, I really don't understand why you present this as if it is fact, when it is clearly only what you think happened.

You know it's plausible and that bothers you....  If you think your going to find the truth stamped and certified, you're delusional....  A person has have the ability to sort out the plausible from the implausible....

Most of the Warren Report is implausible and yet many cite the information as if it is the gospel.....

[Martin Weidmann]

You know it's plausible and that bothers you....  If you think your going to find the truth stamped and certified, you're delusional....  A person has have the ability to sort out the plausible from the implausible....

Most of the Warren Report is implausible and yet many cite the information as if it is the gospel.....

No, it doesn't bother me at all that it is plausible in your opinion and by all means try to sort out the plausible from the implausible, but perhaps it would be wise to remember that even if something seems plausible it doesn't mean it is what really happened.

Too many LNs make that mistake constantly. For instance, they can not think of any other way the rifle could have gotten into the TSBD and they think it is plossible that Frazier was mistaken or even lied about the bag, so for them it is plausible that Oswald used that bag to conceal the rifle, when in fact there isn't a shred of evidence for it and it most likely did not happen.

Something being plausible doesn't make it a fact. Mixing up the two only complicates matters IMO

[Ross Lidell]

Well, Buell is a friend and I know him very well.  That being said, friends can lie.  Friends can "conveniently" forget.  I don't think he's a liar nor has he forgotten anything. He had no reason to lie about anything at all. He was 19.  He was threatened with a Decker Hold.  He stood up for himself and he told the truth.  He has never believed Oswald took a shot.

Buell Frasier suffers a similar guilt complex as Marina Oswald.

Marina refused Lee Oswald's plea (the evening of 21 November 1963) for her and the children to live with him in an apartment near Dallas. Marina intended to agree eventually, but was making Lee suffer a little for the argument (by telephone) they had earlier in the week. She knows that an agreement to reconcile with Lee might have prevented the assassination of President Kennedy.

Buell unknowingly drove the alleged assassin of President Kennedy to work on 22 November 1963. Although Frasier claims the package Oswald carried into the TSBD was too short to contain the Carcano rifle disassembled: This can be seen to be an opinion developed to avoid accepting that he inadvertently and innocently assisted the assassin of JFK. Hence ... Buell Frazier declares that he "believes" that Oswald "never took a shot". He bases that opinion on his perception of Lee Harvey Oswald's personality which he has stated as "nice".

[Ross Lidell]

I asked him, I said, "Did you go toward the building carrying a long package?"
He said, "No. I didn't carry anything but my lunch."

This statement by lee Oswald does not deny the fact that he was carrying a paper sack.....  He said the sack held his lunch.....

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. When he rode with me, I say he always brought lunch except that one day on November 22 he didn't bring his lunch that day.

Frazier acknowledges that Lee always carried his lunch ..but then acts as if he's Superman with X-ray vision and can see that the paper sack doesn't hold Lee's lunch....incredible!! 

Even if Lee had told Frazier that the sack contained curtain rods ( doubtful) it also could have contained his sandwich and fruit....So there is no way that Frazier could know that Lee wasn't carrying a lunch as Fazier himself acknowledged he routinely did .

Frazier acknowledges that Lee always carried his lunch ..but then acts as if he's Superman with X-ray vision and can see that the paper sack doesn't hold Lee's lunch....incredible!! 

Buell Frazier estimated the package--that Oswald carried into the TSBD--was 2 feet give or take a few inches. That means a package 21 to 27 inches long. That's a long package to contain lunch.

Tell me: What was the lunch? Celery sticks or french bread?

[Colin Crow]

Frazier acknowledges that Lee always carried his lunch ..but then acts as if he's Superman with X-ray vision and can see that the paper sack doesn't hold Lee's lunch....incredible!! 

Buell Frazier estimated the package--that Oswald carried into the TSBD--was 2 feet give or take a few inches. That means a package 21 to 27 inches long. That's a long package to contain lunch.

Tell me: What was the lunch? Celery sticks or french bread?

Maybe it contained his lunch and laundry. After all he regularly collected his laundry after visiting Marina. Yet Buell only remembered Oswald carrying his lunch.....a dual purpose bag....there's an option.