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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #136 on: January 16, 2018, 01:39:06 AM »
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I simply used the available facts to provide you with an option that you requested.

Oswald regularly took his laundry. Oswald regularly took his lunch. Frazier only remembers Oswald carrying his lunch......ergo the bag regularly contained his laundry and lunch.

Fritz said that Oswald stated that he carried only his lunch.

Frazier said that Oswald stated that he didn't have his lunch, that he was just going to buy lunch that day.

Who's lying?  Fritz?  Frazier?  Oswald?

Ruth said Oswald took his laundry after visiting on weekends. Frazier said Oswald only ever took his lunch except for the 22nd.

Who?s lying Ruth or Buell? Your call.

Your point is completely invalid.  This Thursday night visit was not on a weekend; it was out of the norm.  Therefore, Lee could have visited without taking his laundry afterwards.

I ask again, who's lying?  Fritz?  Frazier?  Oswald?

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2018, 02:40:42 AM »
Your point is completely invalid.  This Thursday night visit was not on a weekend; it was out of the norm.  Therefore, Lee could have visited without taking his laundry afterwards.

I ask again, who's lying?  Fritz?  Frazier?  Oswald?

I am talking about any of the previous visits. Lee took laundry......Ruth. Lee only took his lunch.....Buell.

Who is right?

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« Reply #138 on: January 16, 2018, 05:29:23 AM »
I am talking about any of the previous visits. Lee took laundry......Ruth. Lee only took his lunch.....Buell.

Who is right?

Unless you have a statement by Ruth or Marina saying that Lee's laundry was tended to on that Thursday night and he left with the laundry on Friday morning, then again, you're going off into la-la land.

This Thursday night visit (one night) does NOT fall into the category of Ruth's statement that Lee left with his laundry after visiting on weekends (three nights).

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« Reply #139 on: January 16, 2018, 05:50:28 AM »
I am talking about any of the previous visits. Lee took laundry......Ruth. Lee only took his lunch.....Buell.

Who is right?





On any previous Monday did Ruth Paine ever see Oswald leave her house carrying a bag of laundry? A simple yes or no will suffice?


Who knows, Oswald may have only washed the clothes he was wearing?

Mr. JENNER - Now, the same question with respect to laundry. That would be laundry largely. I take it from your telling us about you and Marina hanging up clothes in your backyard on the 22d of November that neither you nor she ever sent any laundry out for cleaning or washing.
Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday.




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« Reply #140 on: January 16, 2018, 06:52:51 AM »
I am talking about any of the previous visits. Lee took laundry......Ruth. Lee only took his lunch.....Buell.

Who is right?

Your (plural) inability to answer the question raised is obvious. I feel your pain in trying to twist the argument. The issue here is simple.

Ruth testified that Oswald took his fresh laundry when leaving the house after the weekend. This is a fact.

Buell testified that Oswald only ever took a package that contained his lunch. This is a fact.

Please reconcile.
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« Reply #141 on: January 16, 2018, 06:58:45 AM »
Your (plural) inability to answer the question raised is obvious. I feel your pain in trying to twist the argument. The issue here is simple.

Ruth testified that Ruth took his fresh laundry when leaving the house after the weekend. This is a fact.

Buell testified that Oswald only ever took a package that contained his lunch. This is a fact.

Please reconcile.



Who's twisting anything, it seems you have no proof that Ruth Paine saw Oswald carry any laundry on any Monday? Who knows, Oswald may have only washed the clothes he was wearing and this is what Ruth saw being washed?

Mr. JENNER - Now, the same question with respect to laundry. That would be laundry largely. I take it from your telling us about you and Marina hanging up clothes in your backyard on the 22d of November that neither you nor she ever sent any laundry out for cleaning or washing.
Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday.


Btw wasn't there a laundromat close to the Beckley Street Rooming house and wasn't Oswald reported to be there at least on one occasion?



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« Reply #142 on: January 16, 2018, 07:04:25 AM »
Your (plural) inability to answer the question raised is obvious. I feel your pain in trying to twist the argument. The issue here is simple.

Ruth testified that Ruth took his fresh laundry when leaving the house after the weekend. This is a fact.

Buell testified that Oswald only ever took a package that contained his lunch. This is a fact.

Please reconcile.


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Ruth testified that Ruth took his fresh laundry when leaving the house after the weekend. This is a fact.

What don't you understand about this?  Lee's Thursday night visit was not on a weekend.  This does not qualify for Ruth's statement that Lee left with his laundry after weekend visits.  This is a fact.

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #143 on: January 16, 2018, 07:11:41 AM »


Who's twisting anything, it seems you have no proof that Ruth Paine saw Oswald carry any laundry on any Monday? Who knows, Oswald may have only washed the clothes he was wearing and this is what Ruth saw being washed?

Mr. JENNER - Now, the same question with respect to laundry. That would be laundry largely. I take it from your telling us about you and Marina hanging up clothes in your backyard on the 22d of November that neither you nor she ever sent any laundry out for cleaning or washing.
Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday.


Btw wasn't there a laundromat close to the Beckley Street Rooming house and wasn't Oswald reported to be there at least on one occasion?



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So we have established that the "low-life" Oswald would bring his underwear and shirts for the week to be washed and ironed by Marina. He took them with him on Mondays and presumably on the one Tuesday when he stayed an extra day for the holiday weekend.

There certainly was a washateria across the street from his roominghouse. He was seen there until closing on Wed 20th. Probably as he had not been able to go to the Paine?s to get his washing done for the 10 days or so since he had been there. From memory Bertha Cheek also thought he went on a Saturday. Likely the weekend he did not visit the Paine?s.

So it would appear that he liked his clothes laundered and not to be in a state of uncleanliness.

Perhaps he wore all his weekly freshly laundered clothing on the trip to the TSBD. Wore it all day and then took it off until he got home. Maybe he put it in some package or bag and Frazier just didn?t ever notice it.

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« Reply #143 on: January 16, 2018, 07:11:41 AM »