Buell Wesley Frazier

[Colin Crow]

What don't you understand about this?  Lee's Thursday night visit was not on a weekend.  This does not qualify for Ruth's statement that Lee left with his laundry after weekend visits.  This is a fact.

I understand exactly Bill. step back and look at the statements. I am not referring at this point at the Thursday visit. We will get back to that later. Frazier said that Oswald never had anything but his lunch. Correct? Where was the laundry secreted from his gaze after any visit?

[John Mytton]

So we have established that the "low-life" Oswald would bring his underwear and shirts for the week to be washed and ironed by Marina. He took them with him on Mondays and presumably on the one Tuesday when he stayed an extra day for the holiday weekend.

There certainly was a washateria across the street from his roominghouse. He was seen there until closing on Wed 20th. Probably as he had not been able to go to the Paine?s to get his washing done for the 10 days or so since he had been there. From memory Bertha Cheek also thought he went on a Saturday. Likely the weekend he did not visit the Paine?s.

So it would appear that he liked his clothes laundered and not to be in a state of uncleanliness.

Perhaps he wore all his weekly freshly laundered clothing on the trip to the TSBD. Wore it all day and then took it off until he got home. Maybe he put it in some package or bag and Frazier just didn?t ever notice it.

Colin, did Ruth Paine ever see Oswald carry anything on any Monday morning that wasn't his lunch?

Perhaps he wore all his weekly freshly laundered clothing on the trip to the TSBD

Exactly, Oswald may have just washed the work clothes off his back and wore the same clothes back to work after they were washed.
And I'm sure Oswald had something nice he could wear from his stuff in Ruth's garage.

Btw Ruth said underwear and shirts, what sort of wash is that??? Where's the socks, shorts, pants, etc etc?


JohnM

[John Mytton]

I am talking about any of the previous visits. Lee took laundry......Ruth. Lee only took his lunch.....Buell.

Who is right?

Who is right?

Why can't they both be right?
Ruth saw Marina do Oswald's laundry that seems to be quite small, which was clearly just the clothes he was wearing.
Frazier only saw a small standard sandwich bag because Oswald was wearing his laundry.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

Ruth testified that Ruth took his fresh laundry when leaving the house after the weekend. This is a fact.

Cite?



JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Cite?



JohnM

Of course the second Ruth above should be Oswald.

Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday

Ruth who seemed to be very careful with her words with regards to accuracy when testifying tells us that "Lee brought his underwear and shirts". To me that implies his weekly requirements, not just the clothes for the Friday. Seems that Marina ironed more than one shirt.

"He would take things with him on Monday" indicates exactly that. A bit pointless otherwise. If it was just the clothing he arrived in I think Ruth would have specified that. Ie .....Marina washed his work clothes that he came in on Friday and he left with them on the Monday...

[John Mytton]

Of course the second Ruth above should be Oswald.

Mrs. PAINE - No; and Lee brought his underwear and shirts to be washed at my house, and then Marina ironed his things and he would take clean things with him on Monday

Ruth who seemed to be very careful with her words with regards to accuracy when testifying tells us that "Lee brought his underwear and shirts". To me that implies his weekly requirements, not just the clothes for the Friday. Seems that Marina ironed more than one shirt.

"He would take things with him on Monday" indicates exactly that. A bit pointless otherwise. If it was just the clothing he arrived in I think Ruth would have specified that. Ie .....Marina washed his work clothes that he came in on Friday and he left with them on the Monday...

Yes you're right, Ruth was very specific and if she saw Oswald carrying laundry surely she would provide some sort of description of how it was carried? I can't find any words from Ruth where she ever saw Oswald carry anything on any of the respective Monday mornings. Ruth simply saw Marina do a small wash for Oswald which must have been his current work clothes, which leads to Frazier having nothing to see, so your original premise that one of them must be lying is a provable unjust accusation.

Seems that Marina ironed more than one shirt.

Yeah, his singlet, his t shirt, his button up shirt and maybe even his jacket.

Oswald's work shirt shows heavy signs of wear and was worn a lot perhaps multiple times a week.



Btw Ruth said that Oswald took his clean clothes with him on a Monday and she was right.



JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Yes you're right, Ruth was very specific and if she saw Oswald carrying laundry surely she would provide some sort of description of how it was carried? I can't find any words from Ruth where she ever saw Oswald carry anything on any of the respective Monday mornings. Ruth simply saw Marina do a small wash for Oswald which must have been his current work clothes, which leads to Frazier having nothing to see, so your original premise that one of them must be lying is a provable unjust accusation.

Yeah, his singlet, his t shirt, his button up shirt and maybe even his jacket.

Oswald's work shirt shows heavy signs of wear and was worn a lot perhaps multiple times a week.



Btw Ruth said that Oswald took his clean clothes with him on a Monday and she was right.



JohnM

There is nothing that would make us believe the was was "small". As I said Ruth was clear with her words and if Marina merely washed the clothes he was wearing when he arrived I believe she would have said that.

Packages were a matter of interest to the commission and Ruth and Marina should have been quizzed further.

My original premise was that neither were lying.....but provided an answer that accommodated both for those days excluding the 22nd.

[John Mytton]

There is nothing that would make us believe the was was "small". As I said Ruth was clear with her words and if Marina merely washed the clothes he was wearing when he arrived I believe she would have said that.

Packages were a matter of interest to the commission and Ruth and Marina should have been quizzed further.

My original premise was that neither were lying.....but provided an answer that accommodated both for those days excluding the 22nd.

There is nothing that would make us believe the was was "small".

"Underwear and shirts" sounds like what Oswald would be wearing, a possible singlet, a t shirt, a button shirt, a jacket, pants, undies and socks.

Packages were a matter of interest to the commission and Ruth and Marina should have been quizzed further.

No, packages are a disproportionate matter of interest to CTs.



JohnM