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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #208 on: October 05, 2018, 10:22:45 PM »
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Or he might have used the left hand to angle the bag over in front of his head

Does the package that Danny The Rat is holding look like CE 142??



LBJ's "Special Blue Ribbon Committee "    Told us that CE 142 was the sack that Lee used to carry the rifle .......( of course there wasn't a iota of physical evidence that any rifle had ever been in CE 142 , (but what hell.....They didn't need no stinkin physical evidence) 

Danny obviously ignores the WC theory (twisted though it be) and presents the viewers with his idea of the paper sack...

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Online John Iacoletti

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« Reply #209 on: October 05, 2018, 11:14:25 PM »
Interesting.  Have you seen an affidavit that mentions the length of the bag she saw?
>>> As it turns out, no.

This will do:

No, I don't think it will.  Linnie Mae always maintained that the bag he saw was shorter.  During her testimony they measured how long she estimated it to be with a mockup and came up with 27 inches one time and 28 1/2 inches the other time.  FBI agents would conduct their interviews and not take contemporaneous notes.  They would finish the interview and then go off and transcribe what they heard.  The WC should have asked her about this discrepancy because it very possible that Bookhout misunderstood her or didn't transcribe what she said properly.  We also don't know if she gave Bookhout a length herself or if Bookhout estimated it himself from her holding her hands apart or whatever.

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« Reply #210 on: October 05, 2018, 11:48:53 PM »

RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.


What a silly thing to post.....  It's obviously totally inaccurate....   A THREE FOOT LONG paper sack??

I would hasten to point out that Mrs Randle  DESCRIBED the manner in which Lee carried the paper sack.... She said that Lee had the sack down beside his right leg and his right arm was extended down at his side as he walked along with the sack it nearly touched the ground.  ( What was the distance from the sack to the ground.....6 inches? A subjective distance)   At any rate Lee was 5'9" and his hand would have been about 26 inches from the ground with his arm down at his side.   So the sack could not have been anywhere near 3 foot long....  It was probably about 2 feet long, but it might have been less than 2 feet  If "Randle's idea of "nearly touched the ground" was 8 to 10 inches.

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Only in WallyWorld is 10 inches 'nearly touching' the ground.

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« Reply #211 on: October 05, 2018, 11:58:41 PM »
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Only in WallyWorld is 10 inches 'nearly touching' the ground.

On a dark and rainy morning who can say what Mrs Randle saw..... I'll grant you that 10 inches would be the extreme, but I'd hasten to point out that many boots are 10 inches tall...... 

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« Reply #212 on: October 06, 2018, 12:17:00 AM »
No, I don't think it will.  Linnie Mae always maintained that the bag he saw was shorter.  During her testimony they measured how long she estimated it to be with a mockup and came up with 27 inches one time and 28 1/2 inches the other time.  FBI agents would conduct their interviews and not take contemporaneous notes.  They would finish the interview and then go off and transcribe what they heard.  The WC should have asked her about this discrepancy because it very possible that Bookhout misunderstood her or didn't transcribe what she said properly.  We also don't know if she gave Bookhout a length herself or if Bookhout estimated it himself from her holding her hands apart or whatever.

Show us where the FBI didn't have Randle read over her 11.22.63 statement to confirm her statement as being accurate. And do you have a later denial of that initial bag length? And her later---conveniently, one might argue--- somewhat shrunken bag size appeared after the situation had grown rather onerous for the 'bro.

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« Reply #213 on: October 06, 2018, 12:39:46 AM »
No, I don't think it will.  Linnie Mae always maintained that the bag he saw was shorter.  During her testimony they measured how long she estimated it to be with a mockup and came up with 27 inches one time and 28 1/2 inches the other time.  FBI agents would conduct their interviews and not take contemporaneous notes.  They would finish the interview and then go off and transcribe what they heard.  The WC should have asked her about this discrepancy because it very possible that Bookhout misunderstood her or didn't transcribe what she said properly.  We also don't know if she gave Bookhout a length herself or if Bookhout estimated it himself from her holding her hands apart or whatever.


The WC should have asked her about this discrepancy because it very possible that Bookhout misunderstood her or didn't transcribe what she said properly.  We also don't know if she gave Bookhout a length herself or if Bookhout estimated it himself from her holding her hands apart or whatever.

it very possible that Bookhout misunderstood her or didn't transcribe what she said properly.

You're being waaaaay too magnanimous ......  Bookhout is one of Hoover's agents who created a "replica bag" and then took it to the Randle residence in a transparent attempt to confuse Linnie Mae and her brother BWF and get them on record as confirming the "replica bag"  was exactly like the bag that Lee carried that morning.

We also don't know if she gave Bookhout a length herself or if Bookhout estimated it himself from her holding her hands apart

THINK about that.....Linnie held up her hands and indicated a length of about two feet.....  Three feet is considerably greater than two feet.  Bookhout could not have thought the distance between her hands was thee feet 

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« Reply #214 on: October 06, 2018, 01:20:31 AM »
Show us where the FBI didn't have Randle read over her 11.22.63 statement to confirm her statement as being accurate.

Really, Bill?

Show us where they did.

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« Reply #215 on: October 06, 2018, 03:13:18 AM »
Really, Bill?

Show us where they did.

I wonder if Bill even knows what a FD 302 is, so perhaps this is useful?.


What is a 302?

FBI form FD-302 has space to list the name of the agents, the date of the interview, the name of the interviewee, the place of the interview and so forth. Then it allows the agent to draft a memo?in paragraph form?of what the witness said. It can be one page long or twenty pages long, depending on the length of the interview.
The memo section of a 302 is the key part. This is a combination of what the agent was able to write down during the interview and his recollection. It may list the questions and the answers or simply be a narrative of what the witness said.
The witness generally doesn?t see the 302 or get a chance to correct any mistakes he thinks are in it before it is finalized.

https://grandjurytarget.com/2017/05/18/what-is-an-fbi-302-the-problematic-nature-of-fbi-agents-interview-memos/


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« Reply #215 on: October 06, 2018, 03:13:18 AM »