Buell Wesley Frazier

[Robert Doane]

Robert, Can you flesh that out a bit?....  What did Michael Paine say about Lee Oswald, with respect to Lee being a agent of the US government?

There's no doubt in my mind that Lee was sent to Russia by the US government.   The Russians had recruited Lee while he was a Marine on a secret U-2 base in Japan.  The CIA knew that the Russians were enticing Lee Oswald, and they contacted the Marines and encouraged Lee to play along with the Russians.  They even sent Lee to  foreign language school where he learned to understand and speak Russian.

Michael Paine wrote in the 2013 manuscript that if in fact Lee Oswald was associated CIA or FBI it would only be because that would be in Lee's view a way to infiltrate the Government.

Both Paine and Oswald attended left and right wing events, I just think that statement is being deceptive/protective.

The book is a great read, and has its position of course, not too many writings on the topic waver back and forth.


Walt, I've read so much on Oswald but can no longer find this reference, I've looked online: a claim that part of Oswald's intelligence training he was observed walking sidewalks backward. Not that I believe that claim, I don't know if that was in a book or online if anyone knows.

[Walt Cakebread]

Michael Paine wrote in the 2013 manuscript that if in fact Lee Oswald was associated CIA or FBI it would only be because that would be in Lee's view a way to infiltrate the Government.

Both Paine and Oswald attended left and right wing events, I just think that statement is being deceptive/protective.

The book is a great read, and has its position of course, not too many writings on the topic waver back and forth.


Walt, I've read so much on Oswald but can no longer find this reference, I've looked online: a claim that part of Oswald's intelligence training he was observed walking sidewalks backward. Not that I believe that claim, I don't know if that was in a book or online if anyone knows.

Lee was a junior grade agent....His mission to Russia was to give him in the field training. ( experience)  He surprised his handlers at his resourcefulness.    When his mother went to Washington ( immediately after JFK's inauguration) she got the new President's attention.   In his checking on momma Oswald's son he learned that the kid was a US agent.   He was astonished to learn that someone so young was a spy and had successfully penetrated the Iron Curtain.    He ordered the State Department to go to work and bring the young spy in from the cold. (Figuratively and actually....Brrrrr...Those Russian winters.) 

[Thomas Graves]

Ruth said Oswald took his laundry after visiting on weekends. Frazier said Oswald only ever took his lunch except for the 22nd.

Who's lying Ruth or Buell? Your call.

Colin,

Why would Russophile Ruthie lie?

I mean I mean I mean If she was a liar, why would probable long-term KGB illegal George DeMohrenschildt (according to CI/SIG analyst Clare Edward Petty in TMWKTM) hand off Oswald and his probable (according to KGB true-defector Pyotr Deriabin) KGB-agent wife over to a person like that?

It makes no sense.

(LOL)

--  MWT 

PS  I think Ruthie's story about how she found, and hid, and oh yeah copied (while Oswald was taking what must have been AT LEAST A FORTY-FIVE MINUTE SHOWER) the "Comrade Kostin" draft is totally believable, don't you?

/s

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Addendum:

Michael Shermer has pointed out that the side that argues against the truth focuses on minutiae, whether it is 9/11 truthers, Scientific Creationists or Holocaust deniers. And don?t look at the overall picture.

Holocaust deniers claim presence of ?Prussian Blue? in the in the delousing stations but not in the gas chambers prove that the gas chambers were not used to kill people. Ignoring that insects require a much higher presence of cyanide is needed to kill insects (16,000 parts per million) than people (300 parts per million).

Scientific Creationists claiming human footprints besides dinosaur footprints disprove the Theory of Evolution. Ignoring the possibility of the ?human footprints? being chiseled into the rock by fakers.

9/11 Truthers pointing out that the fires could not have been hot enough to melt steel, and not considering that the steel doesn?t have to be melted, just heated to a high enough temperature long enough, to fail to support the tremendous weight of the building.

And just this weekend we see CTers doing the same thing.

1.   The southwest corner of the sixth floor of the TSBD looks like a sniper?s nest, but it is claimed that it is just a bit too cramped to be used to shoot from.

2.   The bag Oswald carried with him into work looked like it could have been used to carry his rifle into work that day, but it is claimed that it was just a bit too short to hold the rifle.

I know that Shermer is an idiot (from my reading over the years).
I dont know who came up with that stuff re the concentration of cyanide needed to kill insects versus to kill humans --- chemists tell us that insects need much less than humans (from my reading over the years).