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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #912 on: April 11, 2025, 03:16:33 PM »
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“and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it”

Is the problem you do not want to change it in your website.

I have to keep reminding you that I took your word for something that I didn't check.  I won't do that again.
There is no other mention of any other hand. The Warren Commission Report is disputing what you are guessing.
Point to where I posted on JFKBoards anything about LMR and a 2 handed estimate.


Obviously even you can understand what she is saying because you are struggling to try and dismiss it.

 Thumb1: I am not struggling with anything. You are on your own on this one.
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Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #913 on: April 11, 2025, 03:34:33 PM »
Without watching her, we don’t know what “this way” means or what she was trying to convey about the bottom. She only mentioned the right hand. If “figuring out” to you means guessing, then at least admit that.

If the bottom is almost touching the ground, how are you supposed to stick your other hand there and still walk?

Simple deductive reasoning is figuring it out.

If the bottom is almost touching the ground, how are you supposed to stick your other hand there and still walk?

Frazier had the hand underneath the bottom. That is not what she is saying. The package is 3 and 1/2 feet long.

Linnie May; “and the bottom, he carried it this way,”



“and the bottom, he carried it this way”

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« Reply #914 on: April 11, 2025, 03:55:15 PM »
Simple deductive reasoning is figuring it out.

That’s just a fancy way of saying wild-ass guess.

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Frazier had the hand underneath the bottom. That is not what she is saying. The package is 3 and 1/2 feet long.

Frazier didn’t carry a package. And no, it was 27 inches long. If you’re gripping it near the top, there is no need for the other hand to be involved.

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Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #915 on: April 11, 2025, 04:14:06 PM »
I have to keep reminding you that I took your word for something that I didn't check.  I won't do that again.
There is no other mention of any other hand. The Warren Commission Report is disputing what you are guessing.
Point to where I posted on JFKBoards anything about LMR and a 2 handed estimate.

 Thumb1: I am not struggling with anything. You are on your own on this one.

It is so obvious, but yet here you continually protest her statement.

It seems like you have a website that proves you have very little understanding about the assassination to which I completely agree.

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« Reply #916 on: April 11, 2025, 04:30:09 PM »
That’s just a fancy way of saying wild-ass guess.

Frazier didn’t carry a package. And no, it was 27 inches long. If you’re gripping it near the top, there is no need for the other hand to be involved.

That’s just a fancy way of saying wild-ass guess.

Explain what is in her explanation that makes it is a guess. 

If you’re gripping it near the top, there is no need for the other hand to be involved.

This is just pure speculation. The very thing you rail against. And you know this how?

 

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #917 on: April 11, 2025, 06:13:40 PM »
Explain what is in her explanation that makes it is a guess. 

You didn’t see her testify. You don’t know what “carried it this way” means. Joseph Ball did see what she was doing, and there’s nothing in what follows to indicate that she did anything with her left hand. Speaking of pure speculation.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.
Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

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« Reply #918 on: April 12, 2025, 11:28:05 AM »
You didn’t see her testify. You don’t know what “carried it this way” means. Joseph Ball did see what she was doing, and there’s nothing in what follows to indicate that she did anything with her left hand. Speaking of pure speculation.

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.
Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

and there’s nothing in what follows to indicate that she did anything with her left hand. Speaking of pure speculation.

As opposed to guessing what Joseph Ball saw and subsequently interpreted from Linnie May can somehow be considered a fact. There are other questions Ball should have elaborated on but did not. He does not ask her how high off the ground was his right hand holding the package and the package subsequently almost touching the ground. Was his hand even with his chin, chest, belly, waist, or below his waist? He does not ask that question either. He does ask the length. That in itself would have put to rest any question as to bag length. So, what does that mean?  He is not interested in the true length of the bag?

 
So, all the questions left unanswered means they were not important?

The quote from Ball looks an awful lot like cherry picking. Another pet peeve of yours. He is just asking her how he was holding the bag with his right hand. Nothing more or less.
 
You may not like what she said but she did say it. Just like Capasee, pretending she did not say what she said and then offer various excuses for her statement about how it was all a mistake. 

It is obviously not convenient that she stated - “and the bottom, he carried it this way” but she did say it and “and the bottom, he carried it this way” does not have a lot of other meanings.

Offline Michael Capasse

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« Reply #919 on: April 12, 2025, 01:12:34 PM »
and there’s nothing in what follows to indicate that she did anything with her left hand. Speaking of pure speculation.

As opposed to guessing what Joseph Ball saw and subsequently interpreted from Linnie May can somehow be considered a fact. There are other questions Ball should have elaborated on but did not. He does not ask her how high off the ground was his right hand holding the package and the package subsequently almost touching the ground. Was his hand even with his chin, chest, belly, waist, or below his waist? He does not ask that question either. He does ask the length. That in itself would have put to rest any question as to bag length. So, what does that mean?  He is not interested in the true length of the bag?

 
So, all the questions left unanswered means they were not important?

The quote from Ball looks an awful lot like cherry picking. Another pet peeve of yours. He is just asking her how he was holding the bag with his right hand. Nothing more or less.
 
You may not like what she said but she did say it. Just like Capasee, pretending she did not say what she said and then offer various excuses for her statement about how it was all a mistake. 

It is obviously not convenient that she stated - “and the bottom, he carried it this way” but she did say it and “and the bottom, he carried it this way” does not have a lot of other meanings.

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« Reply #919 on: April 12, 2025, 01:12:34 PM »