Buell Wesley Frazier

[Michael Capasse]

It had Oswald's prints on it. 

but not consistent with how he carried the bag.

It was found next to the SN which also had Oswald's prints.

No photo of it where it was actually found

It was found next to the SN which also had Oswald's prints.

Oswald's prints are expected on boxes - he picks orders all day

No other person in the TSBD ever explained a work-related purpose for that homemade bag to be left next to the SN or otherwise claimed ownership of it. 

I'm not aware of any TSBD employee that saw the bag.

No such bag other than the one found with his prints on it was ever found in the TSBD.

Still, not proof this was the bag Frazier saw

Oswald's rifle was left on the same floor. 

a rifle was left on the floor

Oswald lied about carrying any long bag and instead said he had his lunch. 

Assumption that cannot be confirmed based on incomplete interrogation notes.

Why lie if it contained curtain rods or anything other than the rifle?

I don't know. Those are the stories you like to make up.

The totality of facts and circumstances lends itself to the conclusion that Oswald carried this bag that morning and that it contained his rifle.

Actually it lends itself to the conclusion that, the evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald is broken and inconsistent.

[Jack Nessan]

How do u prove that?

Really? Rifle is 40 inches long - how long is the bag?

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right

How do u prove that?

Linnie's description of how LHO was held the bag and location of prints on the bag.

Mr. BALL.. What was he carrying? 
Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it. 
Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he? 
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right. 
Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package? 
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that. 
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground? 
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir. 

Really? Rifle is 40 inches long - how long is the bag?

Tony and Colin had that right.

38" bag and 4" flap. Left open at the bottom. The rifle does not need to be disassembled.

[Michael Capasse]

38" bag and 4" flap. Left open at the bottom. The rifle does not need to be disassembled.

Tony Fratini: The size of the taped flap at one end was approximately 3 inches, meaning the paper was initially long enough (41 inches)
to completely conceal a fully assembled CE 139 with the scope. - Tony's thread is at JFK Boards: https://jfk.boards.net/post/153/thread
Just as it was on this forum 7 years ago. Some of the pictures have fallen down, bit it is still an excellent reference.

The problem is Frazier saw a bag tucked under the arm. The two men had to walk from the auxiliary lot to the building
Frazier said at one point, Lee was about 50 feet ahead of him. How does one carry a 41 inch package (I assume is what you mean)
with a bit of pipe sticking out the top?  >>>and have it tucked under his arm.

He didn't pay attention to the bag? blah blah blah?

Frazier: "Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me
that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word."

...because the size of the package he saw did NOT rise above the shoulder, and gave him no reason to think of anything otherwise.
How about the figure of a soldier carrying what obviously would have looked like a rifle. In the palm of his hand, it would be rested on his shoulder and up to his ear.

[John Mytton]

Oswald's rifle was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle bag.



Too bad it's just an assumption that it is "Oswald's rifle bag" or for that matter "Oswald's rifle".

Btw, how would that broken down rifle fit between the cup of Oswald's hand and underneath his armpit?

Let me guess, Frazier never actually saw him carry the package that way, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let me get this straight, are you trying to say that the rifle bag which was found in the sniper's nest with Oswald's prints and was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle is somehow not connected with this crime? Really?
This is yet another example of what any sane person would consider to be "Conclusive Evidence" being waved away without even the flimsiest of excuses.
I keep presenting powerfully incriminating evidence and surely even you must realize that at some point, trying to explain this MOUNTAIN of individual pieces of evidence with an alleged unseen unknown conspiratorial source can only lead to a MASSIVE conspiracy that is not only untenable but laughable!

Btw, how would that broken down rifle fit between the cup of Oswald's hand and underneath his armpit?

Let me guess, Frazier never actually saw him carry the package that way, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

• For a start who carries their lunch under their armpit? Because you know, Ewwwww!

• And secondly, there was no curtain rods ever reportedly found within the Depository.

• And thirdly, for the first time ever on that particular morning Oswald walked ahead up to 50 feet away, I wonder why?

Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he did.

• And finally Frazier says repeatedly that he never payed attention to the bag.

Mr. BALL - All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

How do u prove that?

Linnie's description of how LHO was held the bag and location of prints on the bag.

Mr. BALL.. What was he carrying? 
Mrs. RANDLE. He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it. 
Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he? 
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right. 
Mr. BALL. And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package? 
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that. 
Mr. BALL. And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground? 
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir. 

The prints are on two different long sides of the bag. Here's Tony again;



How do you know that was where he carried it? - 41 inches would drag on the ground - and are not near the same edge.
What makes you think the bag could hold an 8lb rifle with no bottom support?

[Michael Capasse]

Let me get this straight, are you trying to say that the rifle bag which was found in the sniper's nest with Oswald's prints and was an exact fit for Oswald's rifle is somehow not connected with this crime? Really?
This is yet another example of what any sane person would consider to be "Conclusive Evidence" being waved away without even the flimsiest of excuses.
I keep presenting powerfully incriminating evidence and surely even you must realize that at some point, trying to explain this MOUNTAIN of individual pieces of evidence with an alleged unseen unknown conspiratorial source can only lead to a MASSIVE conspiracy that is not only untenable but laughable!

• For a start who carries their lunch under their armpit? Because you know, Ewwwww!

• And secondly, there was no curtain rods ever reportedly found within the Depository.

• And thirdly, for the first time ever on that particular morning Oswald walked ahead up to 50 feet away, I wonder why?

Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he did.

• And finally Frazier says repeatedly that he never payed attention to the bag.

Mr. BALL - All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--
JohnM

He never said he was mistaken.

[John Mytton]

He never said he was mistaken.

Frazier did say that Oswald told him the package contained curtain rods yet the interrogators said that Oswald told them that the package contained his lunch, why would Oswald lie? Whenever the rifle or evidence connected to the rifle, came up, Oswald lied!

And don't give me the old excuse that the interrogations weren't recorded therefore invalid, because in at the end of the day, the CT's use these records much more than the LNers. If the interrogators wanted to paint Oswald in a really bad light they could have said Oswald admitting he owned the rifle, Oswald admitting he was in the backyard photo, ETC ETC.

JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Presumably he left at the end of the day and went home.  He did not literally "never leave" his station.  My recollection is that he was mostly asked about 11.22 not the days preceding the assassination.  Do we  even know if he went to work on those days leading up to the assassination?  Regardless, Oswald could have made the bag on any day from the first day he started at the TSBD.  He didn't necessarily make it that week - although I think that is most likely.  His prints are on the bag.  It is connected to him.  It was found next to the SN boxes with his prints on the same floor as his rifle.

We were discussing what West did during his lunch break you utter moron.