Buell Wesley Frazier

[Tom Sorensen]

C'mon Martin, this is weak sauce, it's well established that Oswald was having marital problems because for a start he wasn't living with Marina, DUH!
And their latest tiff happened on the previous Monday, so Oswald had Tuesday and Wednesday to rectify their marriage but instead of waiting till the weekend where he would have 2 full days to fully explain himself, he chose Thursday, the precise night before the President arrived. Some coincidence?

But anyway, you keep running from the fact that Oswald took a large package to work and instead of answering my simple questions, you keep deflecting because let's face it, you're stumped!

JohnM

Oswald had other plans for the weekend. That's why he chose to get it done with on Thursday. Who said weak sauce?

[John Mytton]

Oswald had other plans for the weekend. That's why he chose to get it done with on Thursday. Who said weak sauce?

Hilarious, now you're responding for Martin and a couple of posts ago, even used his clown insult?

Is this some type of Twisted Tag Team Wrestling? You joined up on the 22nd and even though Martin was posting virtually every waking hour he suddenly stopped on virtually the same day that you started posting? Then Martin started posting 10 days later and you started drastically slowing down? Hahahaaha!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Dear John, I'm not participating in your copy-paste show, so thanks to Martin for taking care of your "facts." Here comes an actual fact: The Warren Commission was so scared of Frazier's curtain rod story that they had to stage a curtain rod discovery show at the Paine residence, in the garage, starring Ruth Paine and their boy John Howlett. Unfortunately, Howlett had handed them in for printing BEFORE they were "found" in the garage, as seen on a CSSS form signed by both Howlett and DP Carl Day. Bummer!

I don't understand how the WC would be scared 5 months after the assassination? Scared of what?
And how are the dates a problem, is there another form that you are referring to?

Anyway here's the document, BTW Martin also had trouble posting evidence. LOL!



EDIT I remember Alan Ford had a bug up his ass about this and here's his images and his off the wall conclusion.

And then we have the dates/times, and the fact that there are two different versions of the form:

The Warren Gullibles' solution is that Lt. Day got BOTH dates on the original form wrong, which is of course just laughable. To make us break into further hysterics, they cannot, when asked, come up with a single viable alternative submission date to take the place of 15 March!

Here, by contrast, is a grown-up starting point for solving the conundrum presented by these forms:

A Depository employee found the rods and alerted the authorities. Word must not leak out that a pair of curtain rods had been found in the building. A priority therefore was to contain this person by making them think the matter had been scrupulously looked into.

So what does Lt. Day do? He makes a copy of the submission/release form as it looked BEFORE "& 276" and the RELEASE sign-out details have been added. The TSBD person is therefore given a copy looking like this:

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Oswald had other plans for the weekend. That's why he chose to get it done with on Thursday. Who said weak sauce?

Oswald had other plans for the weekend.

You're right, Oswald's plans were to either flee the country, die battling the cops or the start of a long jail sentence.

That's why he chose to get it done with on Thursday.

Again you're right, he got it done and started the ball rolling on Thursday.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious, now you're responding for Martin and a couple of posts ago, even used his clown insult?

Is this some type of Twisted Tag Team Wrestling? You joined up on the 22nd and even though Martin was posting virtually every waking hour he suddenly stopped on virtually the same day that you started posting? Then Martin started posting 10 days later and you started drastically slowing down? Hahahaaha!

JohnM

I don't understand how the WC would be scared 5 months after the assassination? Scared of what?
And how are the dates a problem, is there another form that you are referring to?

Anyway here's the document, BTW Martin also had trouble posting evidence. LOL!

EDIT I remember Alan Ford had a bug up his ass about this and here's his images and his off the wall conclusion.

JohnM

You're right, Oswald's plans were to either flee the country, die battling the cops or the start of a long jail sentence.

Again you're right, he got it done and started the ball rolling on Thursday.

JohnM

A classic example of how John will talk about anything, except maybe the weather, instead of answering a vital question!

Hilarious!

So you can't provide a shred of evidence that shows there actually was a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63? Got it!

[John Mytton]

A Depository employee found the rods and alerted the authorities. Word must not leak out that a pair of curtain rods had been found in the building. A priority therefore was to contain this person by making them think the matter had been scrupulously looked into.

Alan Ford's and presumably Tom's assertion that a depository employee found these infamous missing curtain rods has a little problem, according to CT lore Frazier saw the curtain rods neatly tucked under Oswald's arm, from armpit to cupped hand, but as the much taller Wesley demonstrated, he could barely fit a 24 inch package under his arm, so obviously a 27.5 inch package for Oswald's puny arms is totally out of the question! So any chance of a gotcha moment is out the window( no pun intended)! Sorry chappies





JohnM

[John Mytton]

Dear John, I'm not participating in your copy-paste show, so thanks to Martin for taking care of your "facts." Here comes an actual fact: The Warren Commission was so scared of Frazier's curtain rod story that they had to stage a curtain rod discovery show at the Paine residence, in the garage, starring Ruth Paine and their boy John Howlett. Unfortunately, Howlett had handed them in for printing BEFORE they were "found" in the garage, as seen on a CSSS form signed by both Howlett and DP Carl Day. Bummer!

After spending way too much time on this, while trying to watch the footy, I can't possibly see how anyone can get conspiracy from this, human error perhaps, but that's as far as it goes.


The Paines were in Washington giving evidence on the 18th of March.
On the 23rd of March, Ruth Paine was back in Irving at the Paine residence, with Howlett and Jenner measuring stuff.
Lt. Day was not there, but is probably overworked and under payed and by this stage is having an absolute gutful of this entire endless investigation.
On the 23rd the curtain rod exhibits 275 and 276 are numbered and taken by Howlett to Lt. Day.
Lt. Day who was not there, either misheard or misinterpreted the date Howlett collected the curtain rods, as being the 15th. A Sunday?
Howlett takes the curtain rods to Day on the 24th, hence why 24th as the pick-up is written on the form because Day anticipates having to set aside his workload and do the work immediately.
Howlett realizing an immediate turnaround is unfeasible and says he will be back in a couple of days, so take your time.
Lt. Day does the fingerprint check on the 25th.
Day corrects the Howlett pick up date to the 26th.
No problems, easy peasy!



BTW, considering ALL of this is easily accessible, makes the very thought that it's somehow conspiratorial, absurd but Tom if you can convince me that it's something beyond innocent human error, I'm all ears!

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

A classic example of how John will talk about anything, except maybe the weather, instead of answering a vital question!

He's been doing it for 60+ pages