Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: Buell Wesley Frazier  (Read 179608 times)

Offline Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7684
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #696 on: March 14, 2025, 02:20:58 AM »
Advertisement
That's interesting Steve, Oswald more than anybody in that building knew what the death of a President would mean for history and it's potential for massive changes but Oswald;

After hearing Reid say "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him.", wouldn't you ask for a little more information?
After hearing in the bus when some guy came to the Bus door and said the President was shot, would only prompt Oswald to almost immediately to get off?
After hearing "the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town" while in the cab, all Oswald did was remain silent to Whaley's enquires. How many people in a similar situation who had at least some knowledge would say absolutely nothing?
After quickly moving into his room at the rooming house, the TV was broadcasting news of the President being shot and Oswald didn't ask or stay to watch but just exited as quickly as possible? A little anecdote but when 9/11 happened, people on the footpath were crowded several feet deep straining to watch the unfolding events on a wall of televisions facing the street in the TV retail store, a moment I'll never forget!

Obviously Oswald knew EXACTLY what happened and just wanted to get out of Dodge! No further analysis required!

JohnM

Oswald more than anybody in that building knew what the death of a President would mean for history

And you know this, how?

After hearing Reid say "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him.", wouldn't you ask for a little more information?
After hearing in the bus when some guy came to the Bus door and said the President was shot, would only prompt Oswald to almost immediately to get off?
After hearing "the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town" while in the cab, all Oswald did was remain silent to Whaley's enquires. How many people in a similar situation who had at least some knowledge would say absolutely nothing?


Translation; if somebody doesn't act in the way I would have, it must mean he's guilty. Pathetic!

A little anecdote but when 9/11 happened, people on the footpath were crowded several feet deep straining to watch the unfolding events on a wall of televisions facing the street in the TV retail store, a moment I'll never forget!

A moment you'll never forget? Were you there?
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 02:36:20 AM by Martin Weidmann »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #696 on: March 14, 2025, 02:20:58 AM »


Offline Tom Sorensen

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #697 on: March 14, 2025, 03:14:28 AM »
Oswald more than anybody in that building knew what the death of a President would mean for history

JFK wasn't pronounced dead. This is indeed like shooting fish in a barrel. Why does John keep doing this to himself?


Offline Tom Sorensen

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #698 on: March 14, 2025, 05:05:00 AM »
The Oswald defenders have to explain this behavior, this lack of interest in what happened, not me. I gave my answer: he shot JFK and was in flight. Nothing about being a "nutjob." What is theirs?

Second: Oswald was a political person. He read political journals, newspapers, biographies of political people like Mao and JFK. He attended an ACLU meeting three weeks before the assassination where the Birchers and politics were discussed. He discussed politics with the Paines. DeMohrenshchildt said they discussed politics. Marina said he would she her news stories about JFK and translate it to her. He had radical views, was angry and erratic; but he wasn't apolitical.

So he's not interested AT ALL in what happened? He comes out of the building (So why did he come outside? To find out what was happening? And then doesn't ask anyone what happened?) and doesn't ask anyone what was going on? There is chaos going on; he doesn't ask what is this all about? Again, he's an erratic angry man; he's not an idiot. An hour later he's in a movie theater with a loaded revolver and five extra bullets. Why? He doesn't want to watch the news?

Oswald defenders can't rationally explain this lack of interest in all of this madness going on right outside the building; so they want to wave their hands and turn the question around. We know why. If they tried to give one it would be typical Oswald defender gibberish and nonsense. Admittedly, they are good at that.

I cleanly and surgically dissected your flawed logic. First you rant about Oswald's anti-social behavior, then claim it's out of character for him not to chat up his coworkers as normal people (assuming you're normal) would do. Your pointless comeback attempt above is simply an extended version of your initial flawed argument. Do I need to explain this a trird time to you and Mytton?

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #698 on: March 14, 2025, 05:05:00 AM »


Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4531
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #699 on: March 14, 2025, 06:44:45 AM »
I cleanly and surgically dissected your flawed logic. First you rant about Oswald's anti-social behavior, then claim it's out of character for him not to chat up his coworkers as normal people (assuming you're normal) would do. Your pointless comeback attempt above is simply an extended version of your initial flawed argument. Do I need to explain this a trird time to you and Mytton?

You're all over the place and writing checks that you can't afford, then claiming hollow victories based on your misunderstanding of what actually comprises an anti-social individual.
Asking someone what happened to discover facts cannot be conflated with "chatting up his co-workers", because in no way is Oswald trying to be someone's friend by asking what happened.
For instance a perfect example of why we would expect an innocent Oswald to ask his co-workers or anybody what happened, on the morning of the 22nd Jr Jarman recollects "Lee Oswald asked me what all the people were doing standing on the street. I told him that the President was supposed to come this way sometime this morning. He asked me, "Which way do you think he is coming?". I told him that the President would probably come down Main Street and turn on Houston and then go down Elm Street. He said, "Yes, I see"." But they were hardly friends. Therefore Oswald would selfishly interact as way of discovery or in this Jarman case, of deception.
So as is clear, Oswald had no need to discover what happened since he was the cause and being in flight had no time for any interactions!

This overview and symptoms from the Mayo clinic illustrates the characteristics of being anti-social. Read this and learn, and perhaps you can avoid embarrassment in the future.

"Overview

Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to purposely make others angry or upset and manipulate or treat others harshly or with cruel indifference. They lack remorse or do not regret their behavior.

People with antisocial personality disorder often violate the law, becoming criminals. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. They have difficulty consistently meeting responsibilities related to family, work or school.


Symptoms

Symptoms of antisocial personality disorder include repeatedly:

Ignoring right and wrong.
Telling lies to take advantage of others.
Not being sensitive to or respectful of others.
Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure.
Having a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated.
Having problems with the law, including criminal behavior.
Being hostile, aggressive, violent or threatening to others.
Feeling no guilt about harming others.
Doing dangerous things with no regard for the safety of self or others.
Being irresponsible and failing to fulfill work or financial responsibilities.

Adults with antisocial personality disorder usually show symptoms of conduct disorder before the age of 15. Symptoms of conduct disorder include serious, ongoing behavior problems, such as:

Aggression toward people and animals.
Destruction of property.
Lying and dishonesty.
Theft.
Serious violation of rules."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928

BTW has your shrink diagnosed you as being anti-social because with your performance here, you certainly qualify, just saying!

JohnM


Offline Tom Sorensen

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #700 on: March 14, 2025, 06:55:52 AM »
From above:

After hearing "the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town" while in the cab, all Oswald did was remain silent to Whaley's enquires. How many people in a similar situation who had at least some knowledge would say absolutely nothing?

Oswald was not in Whaley's cab. Another false claim by the commission. Old news.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #700 on: March 14, 2025, 06:55:52 AM »


Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4531
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #701 on: March 14, 2025, 07:16:29 AM »
From above:

After hearing "the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town" while in the cab, all Oswald did was remain silent to Whaley's enquires. How many people in a similar situation who had at least some knowledge would say absolutely nothing?

Oswald was not in Whaley's cab. Another false claim by the commission. Old news.

Boy oh boy, here we go again!
You are you the quite the doubting Thomas about what is really an insignificant event and which doesn't add much to Oswald's guilt.
But Tom, Oswald had to get to his rooming house somehow;

• Oswald told Fritz that he got a cab.
• Oswald told Bookout he got a cab
• Whaley positively ID'd Oswald in a line-up.
• Whaley's call sheet which he admits wasn't required to be filled in with times to the exact minute, had a journey from Dallas to Beckley street, some coincidence eh?
• The person we know as Oswald being quietly arrogant and only spoke to satisfy his own selfish needs was pretty well described as such by Whaley.

JohnM
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 07:20:22 AM by John Mytton »

Offline Tom Sorensen

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 92
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #702 on: March 14, 2025, 07:18:32 AM »
You're all over the place and writing checks that you can't afford, then claiming hollow victories based on your misunderstanding of what actually comprises an anti-social individual.
Asking someone what happened to discover facts cannot be conflated with "chatting up his co-workers", because in no way is Oswald trying to be someone's friend by asking what happened.
For instance a perfect example of why we would expect an innocent Oswald to ask his co-workers or anybody what happened, on the morning of the 22nd Jr Jarman recollects "Lee Oswald asked me what all the people were doing standing on the street. I told him that the President was supposed to come this way sometime this morning. He asked me, "Which way do you think he is coming?". I told him that the President would probably come down Main Street and turn on Houston and then go down Elm Street. He said, "Yes, I see"." But they were hardly friends. Therefore Oswald would selfishly interact as way of discovery or in this Jarman case, of deception.
So as is clear, Oswald had no need to discover what happened since he was the cause and being in flight had no time for any interactions!

This overview and symptoms from the Mayo clinic illustrates the characteristics of being anti-social. Read this and learn, and perhaps you can avoid embarrassment in the future.

"Overview

Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to purposely make others angry or upset and manipulate or treat others harshly or with cruel indifference. They lack remorse or do not regret their behavior.

People with antisocial personality disorder often violate the law, becoming criminals. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. They have difficulty consistently meeting responsibilities related to family, work or school.


Symptoms

Symptoms of antisocial personality disorder include repeatedly:

Ignoring right and wrong.
Telling lies to take advantage of others.
Not being sensitive to or respectful of others.
Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or pleasure.
Having a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated.
Having problems with the law, including criminal behavior.
Being hostile, aggressive, violent or threatening to others.
Feeling no guilt about harming others.
Doing dangerous things with no regard for the safety of self or others.
Being irresponsible and failing to fulfill work or financial responsibilities.

Adults with antisocial personality disorder usually show symptoms of conduct disorder before the age of 15. Symptoms of conduct disorder include serious, ongoing behavior problems, such as:

Aggression toward people and animals.
Destruction of property.
Lying and dishonesty.
Theft.
Serious violation of rules."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928

BTW has your shrink diagnosed you as being anti-social because with your performance here, you certainly qualify, just saying!

JohnM

Congratulations John (and Steve), you won that one, good job!

Right, Oswald didn't really care about his Carcano and toddlers kicking it around the garage floor was no big deal, so what exactly did you mean by "safely stored"?

Oh, about the scope, if it wasn't permanently attached, when did it become attached?

So what's new about the rifle scope that wasn't permanently attached, but then it found itself attached? Looks like you sneaked out on that one.


Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4531
Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #703 on: March 14, 2025, 07:44:55 AM »
So what's new about the rifle scope that wasn't permanently attached, but then it found itself attached? Looks like you sneaked out on that one.

How long is a piece of string, it's an impossible question to answer.

BTW I didn't see your response.

JohnM

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #703 on: March 14, 2025, 07:44:55 AM »