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« Reply #768 on: March 17, 2025, 11:19:32 AM »
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Some time in May '63, that rifle went from Dallas to New Orleans, and Lee never got in the car.
Then, in Sept., that rifle went from New Orleans back to Dallas, and Lee never got in the car.
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« Reply #769 on: March 27, 2025, 04:09:16 PM »
Done what?  Practiced with the rifle?  Any time between its delivery and Nov. 22.  Marina confirmed that he practiced with the rifle.

So this thread, before being bumped, just dropped off of page two. It's safe to conclude that Richard bailed again after failing to present evidence of Oswald practicing with the rifle. Good old dependable Richard!

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« Reply #770 on: March 27, 2025, 05:46:50 PM »
So this thread, before being bumped, just dropped off of page two. It's safe to conclude that Richard bailed again after failing to present evidence of Oswald practicing with the rifle. Good old dependable Richard!
Well, he did have that one practice shot at Walker ...

Seriously, Marina testified to the WC about practicing to a considerable extent (here she is describing both New Orleans and Dallas):

Mr. RANKIN. From what you observed about his having the rifle on the back porch, in the dark, could you tell whether or not he was trying to practice with the telescopic lens?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. I asked him why. But this time he was preparing to go to Cuba.
Mr. RANKIN. That was his explanation for practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He said that he would, go to Cuba. I told him I was not going with him---that I would stay here.
Mr. RANKIN. On these occasions when he was practicing with the rifle, would they be three or four times a week in the evening, after the Fair Play for Cuba incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. Almost every evening. He very much wanted to go to Cuba and have the newspapers write that somebody had kidnaped an aircraft. And I asked him "For God sakes, don't do such a thing."

Mr. RANKIN. You have told us about his practicing with the rifle, the telescopic lens, on the back porch at New Orleans, and also his using the bolt action that you heard from time to time. Will you describe that a little more fully to us, as best you remember?
Mrs. OSWALD. I cannot describe that in greater detail. I can only say that Lee would sit there with the rifle and open and close the bolt and clean it. No, he didn't clean it at that time. Yes--twice he did clean it.
Mr. RANKIN. And did he seem to be practicing with the telescopic lens, too, and sighting the gun on different objects?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know. The rifle was always with this. I don't know exactly how he practiced, because I was in the house, I was busy. I just knew that he sits there with his rifle. I was not interested in it.
Mr. RANKIN. Was this during the light of the day or during the darkness?
Mrs. OSWALD. During darkness.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it so dark that neighbors could not see him on the porch there with the gun?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn at any time that he had been practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he went once or twice. I didn't actually see him take the rifle, but I knew that he was practicing.
Mr. RANKIN. Could you give us a little help on how you knew?
Mrs. OSWALD. He told me. And he would mention that in passing---it isn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going"---it wasn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going to take the rifle and go and practice." But he would say, "Well, today I will take the rifle along for practice."
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know where he practiced with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know where. I don't know the name of the place where this took place. But I think it was somewhere out of town. It seems to me a place called Lopfield.
Mr. RANKIN. Would that be at the airport---Love Field?
Mrs. OSWALD. Love Field.
Mr. RANKIN. So you think he was practicing out in the open and not at a rifle range?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Marina likewise told Priscella Johnson McMillan that she was surprised to see him with the rifle on the porch in New Orleans and that he continued to practice dry firing for three weeks in late August and early September of 1963.

I strongly doubt he practiced live firing much at all. Not only was Carcano ammunition fairly obscure, but I know from personal experience in the 70's that practicing with a large-caliber weapon quickly becomes prohibitively expensive - and more so for Oswald than me. My guess would be that shortly after acquiring the rifle he located a standard box of 20 shells, either new (military surplus) or reloads, along with the clip (military surplus), and this was the only Carcano ammunition he ever owned. He probably fired a few rounds from time to time in the practice Marina described, and the assassination rounds were probably leftovers from the original box. (No evidence for any of this, I realize.)

Dry firing, of course, costs nothing.

I think the assassination was an entirely impromptu, make-do affair. I think he simply retrieved the disassembled rifle from Ruth Paine's, brought it to the TSBD, assembled it, and trusted his limited past experience with the rifle and his considerable experience in the Marines. I'm no more of a marksman than Elmer Fudd, but this was not a difficult shot, even if he just used the iron sight. The only real mystery is the number and timing of the shots. (I'm not wedded to the two-shot theory, but it does make sense and would explain the dented "mystery shell" as being the dry-firing one that was still in the rifle at Ruth's and was ejected when he loaded the first live round.)
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« Reply #771 on: March 27, 2025, 06:04:58 PM »
Well, he did have that one practice shot at Walker ...

Seriously, Marina testified to the WC about practicing to a considerable extent (here she is describing both New Orleans and Dallas):

Mr. RANKIN. From what you observed about his having the rifle on the back porch, in the dark, could you tell whether or not he was trying to practice with the telescopic lens?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. I asked him why. But this time he was preparing to go to Cuba.
Mr. RANKIN. That was his explanation for practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He said that he would, go to Cuba. I told him I was not going with him---that I would stay here.
Mr. RANKIN. On these occasions when he was practicing with the rifle, would they be three or four times a week in the evening, after the Fair Play for Cuba incident?
Mrs. OSWALD. Almost every evening. He very much wanted to go to Cuba and have the newspapers write that somebody had kidnaped an aircraft. And I asked him "For God sakes, don't do such a thing."

Mr. RANKIN. You have told us about his practicing with the rifle, the telescopic lens, on the back porch at New Orleans, and also his using the bolt action that you heard from time to time. Will you describe that a little more fully to us, as best you remember?
Mrs. OSWALD. I cannot describe that in greater detail. I can only say that Lee would sit there with the rifle and open and close the bolt and clean it. No, he didn't clean it at that time. Yes--twice he did clean it.
Mr. RANKIN. And did he seem to be practicing with the telescopic lens, too, and sighting the gun on different objects?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know. The rifle was always with this. I don't know exactly how he practiced, because I was in the house, I was busy. I just knew that he sits there with his rifle. I was not interested in it.
Mr. RANKIN. Was this during the light of the day or during the darkness?
Mrs. OSWALD. During darkness.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it so dark that neighbors could not see him on the porch there with the gun?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn at any time that he had been practicing with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he went once or twice. I didn't actually see him take the rifle, but I knew that he was practicing.
Mr. RANKIN. Could you give us a little help on how you knew?
Mrs. OSWALD. He told me. And he would mention that in passing---it isn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going"---it wasn't as if he said, "Well, today I am going to take the rifle and go and practice." But he would say, "Well, today I will take the rifle along for practice."
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know where he practiced with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know where. I don't know the name of the place where this took place. But I think it was somewhere out of town. It seems to me a place called Lopfield.
Mr. RANKIN. Would that be at the airport---Love Field?
Mrs. OSWALD. Love Field.
Mr. RANKIN. So you think he was practicing out in the open and not at a rifle range?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Marina likewise told Priscella Johnson McMillan that she was surprised to see him with the rifle on the porch in New Orleans and that he continued to practice dry firing for three weeks in late August and early September of 1963.

I strongly doubt he practiced live firing much at all. Not only was Carcano ammunition fairly obscure, but I know from personal experience in the 70's that practicing with a large-caliber weapon quickly becomes prohibitively expensive - and more so for Oswald than me. My guess would be that shortly after  acquiring the rifle he located a standard box of 20 shells, either new or reloads, and this was the only Carcano ammunition he ever owned. He probably fired a few rounds from time to time in the practice Marina described, and the assassination rounds were probably leftovers from the original box. (No evidence for any of this, I realize.)

Dry firing, of course, costs nothing.

I think the assassination was an entirely impromptu, make-do affair. I think he simply retrieved the disassembled rifle from Ruth Paine's, brought it to the TSBD, assembled it, and trusted his limited past experience with the rifle and his considerable experience in the Marines. I'm no more of a marksman than Elmer Fudd, but this was not a difficult shot, even if he just used the iron sight. The only real mystery is the number and timing of the shots. (I'm not wedded to the two-shot theory, but it does make sense and would explain the dented "mystery shell" as being the dry-firing one that was still in the rifle at Ruth's and was ejected when he loaded the first live round.)
Adrian Alba, the owner of a New Orleans garage where Oswald would visit and read/borrow his gun magazines, testified that Oswald asked him where he, Oswald, could go to "discharge firearms." I would suggest that he did so because he, y'know, wanted to discharge firearms. Note: He didn't ask where he could sell his guns; he asked where he could fire them.

They also discussed the various advantages of the different calibre rifles and ammunition. I would suggest that too indicates he was interested in using the weapons.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald ever tell you that he had fired these rifles or this rifle that he owned?
Mr. ALBA - None other than to ask me if I knew of a place where you could discharge firearms, that is, close by, without getting in the car and riding for hours.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you say when he asked you about that?
Mr. ALBA - My reply was that I joined the National Rifle Association, and I have been able to shoot on the rifle range. It had been some years since I had done any shooting along the River Road or the levy, or anything else like that, and that I am sure that if you attempt that today, they either would r you off or arrest you for discharging firearms.


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« Reply #772 on: March 27, 2025, 06:18:26 PM »
Adrian Alba, the owner of a New Orleans garage where Oswald would visit and read/borrow his gun magazines, testified that Oswald asked him where he, Oswald, could go to "discharge firearms." I would suggest that he did so because he, y'know, wanted to discharge firearms. Note: He didn't ask where he could sell his guns; he asked where he could fire them.

They also discussed the various advantages of the different calibre rifles and ammunition. I would suggest that too indicates he was interested in using the weapons.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald ever tell you that he had fired these rifles or this rifle that he owned?
Mr. ALBA - None other than to ask me if I knew of a place where you could discharge firearms, that is, close by, without getting in the car and riding for hours.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you say when he asked you about that?
Mr. ALBA - My reply was that I joined the National Rifle Association, and I have been able to shoot on the rifle range. It had been some years since I had done any shooting along the River Road or the levy, or anything else like that, and that I am sure that if you attempt that today, they either would r you off or arrest you for discharging firearms.
"Firearms," of course, could include his .38 Special. Again from personal experience, .38 Special reloads would have been extremely more common and extremely less expensive than 6.5 Carcano. I would still guess that his sole store of Carcano ammunition was one 20-round box and that his live practice consisted of a few sessions of 3-5 shots, with the assassination rounds being the leftovers. This would explain why he had only four rounds on the day of the assassination (or three rounds and a dry-firing shell) and no other ammunition was found among his possessions.

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« Reply #773 on: March 29, 2025, 03:37:56 PM »
Someone told us, Marina said, he could have done this-and-that, all weak sauce, all speculation. Richard already tried the "Lopfield" quote and got nowhere, LOL.

Firing just one shot at Walker makes no sense. Walker was a sitting duck at 30 yards. There's no reason Oswald wouldn't have had 6 rounds in his clip, so either the rifle jammed or he didn't have the balls to reload. Total disaster, so why would he even hold on to the rifle that might implicate him? And you don't sight in a scope by dry firing. For Richard's crazy idea of Oswald compensating for a wonky scope, he needed Oswald to properly practice his rifle. Had he actually practiced, he would quickly have let Klein's know what they sold him was junk. Richard's narrative is as insane as his replicating death squads.

BTW, note how Rankin sneaks in this little compound question to make Marina confirm Lee was not at the rifle range; nicely done!

Mr. RANKIN. So you think he was practicing out in the open and not at a rifle range?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

The rigged Commission simply couldn't deal with the tips placing Oswald at the rifle range. Why don't you give it a try? They look promising!
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« Reply #774 on: March 29, 2025, 03:58:18 PM »
Someone told us, Marina said, he could have done this-and-that, all weak sauce, all speculation. Richard already tried the "Lopfield" quote and got nowhere, LOL.

Firing just one shot at Walker makes no sense. Walker was a sitting duck at 30 yards. There's no reason Oswald wouldn't have had 6 rounds in his clip, so either the rifle jammed or he didn't have the balls to reload. Total disaster, so why would he even hold on to the rifle that might implicate him? And you don't sight in a scope by dry firing. For Richard's crazy idea of Oswald compensating for a wonky scope, he needed Oswald to properly practice his rifle. Had he actually practiced, he would quickly have let Klein's know what they sold him was junk. Richard's narrative is as insane as his replicating death squads.

BTW, note how Rankin sneaks in this little compound question to make Marina confirm Lee was not at the rifle range; nicely done!

Mr. RANKIN. So you think he was practicing out in the open and not at a rifle range?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

The rigged Commission simply couldn't deal with the tips placing Oswald at the rifle range. Why don't you give it a try? They look promising!
'Shooting at Love field would be free. The rifle range would not be.

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« Reply #775 on: March 29, 2025, 05:19:35 PM »
"Firearms," of course, could include his .38 Special. Again from personal experience, .38 Special reloads would have been extremely more common and extremely less expensive than 6.5 Carcano. I would still guess that his sole store of Carcano ammunition was one 20-round box and that his live practice consisted of a few sessions of 3-5 shots, with the assassination rounds being the leftovers. This would explain why he had only four rounds on the day of the assassination (or three rounds and a dry-firing shell) and no other ammunition was found among his possessions.
DeMohrsenschildt said Oswald told him that he took the rifle to do "target shooting". This was said during a visit of the DeMohrenschildts (husband and wife) shortly after the Walker attempt. Oswald showed DeMohrenschildt the rifle and he asked Oswald why he had it.

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. He said "I go out and do target shooting. I like target shooting." So out of the pure, really jokingly I told him "Are you then the guy who took a pot shot at General Walker?" And he smiled to that, because just a few days before there was an attempt at General Walker's life, and it was very highly publicized in the papers, and I knew that Oswald disliked General Walker, you see. So I took a chance and I asked him this question, you see, and I can clearly see his face, you know.
He sort of shriveled, you see, when I asked this question.
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