Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/thumbnails.php?album=8&page=2
Alan can you check the above link to our galleries here and look for the Hughes gif with Lovelady, it's not showing for me  but perhaps it will for you?

Doesn't seem to be there, Barry. Remember seeing it somewhere a while back!

The elimination-----------absent an evidence-based refutation from our friends-----------of the west pillar shadow means the problem looms VERY large indeed:

What is that dark border going down Lovelady's west side?

The only logical answer I can think of-----------pending Brian's no doubt impending proposal that only 0.5 x Lovelady worked at the TSBD---------is a dark unzipped/unfastened jacket or coat.

What other possibility is there?

[Alan Ford]

To those just tuning in to tonight's broadcast, let me explain what's really going on here!

A number of people are deeply worried because the dark border running down Billy Lovelady in the Wiegman film-----------



-----------turns out NOT to be a shadow from the west entrance pillar, as had generally been assumed.

This means an ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION for the dark border must be found.
The simplest-----------no: ONLY!----------explanation thus far put forward is that Lovelady was not just wearing his plaid shirt at 12.30pm, he was wearing a dark, unzipped/unfastened jacket over it!

If true, then the man in red seen in the Depository building entrance in the Hughes film------------



-------------cannot be Lovelady!

All of which raises the very real (and very upsetting) possibility that the Hughes film is in fact showing us-----------
PRAYER MAN IN COLOR

You heard it here first, folks 

[Larry Trotter]

Can this really be happening? Is it being proposed that BillyNolanLovelady is/was wearing an unzipped dark jacket as the motorcade drove past the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building? Aside from an agenda based imagination, there is nothing to support that scenario. Pure and simple, nothing. And, there is nothing provable to indicate PrayerPersonImage to be any male, which of course eliminates LeeHarveyOswald.
Talk about absolute  !

[Frederick Clements]

Interesting portion of Lovelady's testimony.

Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me...
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.


Lovelady is asked who was there on the steps with him. He mentions some names then says right behind me and gets cut off.Mr Ball does not refer to the person behind again.

The person standing to the right and behind of Lovelady was Prayer Man. It appears that just as Lovelady is about to name this person he gets cut off and diverted.As if Ball did not want this person's name to be on the record.

Quite suspicious don't you think?

Fred

[Ray Mitcham]

Barry is right!

If the dark border going down nearly half of Lovelady in Wiegman is a shadow cast by the west entrance pillar, then Stancak's calculations are not just wrong but OUTLANDISHLY wrong.

Here's Stancak's reconstruction of the entrance:




Ignore the Prayer Man avatar. Shrink the Frazier avatar to 5'8" and bring him down to the top step by the center railing
-----------It's a complete non-starter that he's going to catch any shadow from the west pillar, let alone the 'shadow' we see going down Lovelady. No way. No how.




So my question for those arguing for a shadow is this:
What are your grounds for disagreeing with Stancak's calculations so radically?

Have you, for instance, anything from the photo record to support your TOTAL dismissal of his reconstructed doorway? Like Barry, I have searched and can find not a single image to support even the possibility of this being a shadow on Lovelady!

Stancek's calculations are not wrong. The shadow running down Lovely is not a dark jacket it is the shadow of the left column of the entrance.

Look at the two Darnell photos of Lovelady. The shadow changes angle as he moves down and to his right.
How would a jacket move that way?
In Stancek's recreation, the shadow on Frazier is the shadow of the lintel over the doorway. (See the same shadow on the doorway behind him.)

[Alan Ford]

Can this really be happening? Is it being proposed that BillyNolanLovelady is/was wearing an unzipped dark jacket as the motorcade drove past the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building? Aside from an agenda based imagination, there is nothing to support that scenario. Pure and simple, nothing. And, there is nothing provable to indicate PrayerPersonImage to be any male, which of course eliminates LeeHarveyOswald.
Talk about absolute  !

How do you explain the dark border going down Lovelady's side in Wiegman?

[Ray Mitcham]

How do you explain the dark border going down Lovelady's side in Wiegman?

Alan, it the shadow of the west door column. Note how it moves when he steps to his right and down a step.
One shadow is angled because he leans back slightly.

[Alan Ford]

Stancek's calculations are not wrong. The shadow running down Lovely is not a dark jacket it is the shadow of the left column of the entrance.

Look at the two Darnell photos of Lovelady. The shadow changes angle as he moves down and to his right.
How would a jacket move that way?
In Stancek's recreation, the shadow on Frazier is the shadow of the lintel over the doorway.

Unless a jacket is very loose fitting, Ray, it will tilt with the body, especially if the body is leaning back a little. Just like we see here:



There's simply no way this is a shadow cast by the left column, otherwise this photo taken a little later, with the sun a little further west, would be impossible in the way it shows the motorcycle officer in direct sunlight: