Prayer Woman

[Ray Mitcham]

Mr Mitcham, poor Brian just sees what he wants to see and throws a tantrum when the facts answer back!

Re: the 'shadow' on Lovelady. Surely the sun is simply too far east for the left wall of the entrance to be casting any shadow on Lovelady? Stancak's model of the doorway would have to be catastrophically off...



And how would the horizontal lintel over the entrance cast a near-vertical shadow?

It wouldn't Alan. If Frazier was standing full on to the parade, the shadow shown on him would be horizontal. Because he is turning slightly to his right the shadow is at an angle, and is caused by the lintel of the entrance.

[Ray Mitcham]

Tell us, oh, wise one. What angle was shadow that the sun was casting on the steps at 1.30p.m. on 11.22.1963?

bump.

[Alan Ford]

It wouldn't Alan. If Frazier was standing full on to the parade, the shadow shown on him would be horizontal. Because he is turning slightly to his right the shadow is at an angle, and is caused by the lintel of the entrance.

Ray, we see the lintel shadow on Frazier in Darnell. It looks nothing like the vertical or off-vertical 'shadow' down Lovelady's shirt in either of the Wiegman frames

[Ray Mitcham]

Ray, we see the lintel shadow on Frazier in Darnell. It looks nothing like the vertical or off-vertical 'shadow' on Lovelady in either of the Wiegman frames

Agreed, but the shadow on Frazier, I believe, is caused by the left wall of the entrance. The first photo shows a vertical shadow and the second a slightly angled shadow. The reason for the difference in  both Darnell photos is that in the second, Frazier is leaning slightly backwards, probably to see better, what was happening further down the street.

[Ray Mitcham]

Bump for Brian.

Just tell me, as the top mind on the subject,  , Brian, what angle was the sun casting on the steps at 12.30 on the day JFK was shot?

[Alan Ford]

Agreed, but the shadow on Frazier, I believe, is caused by the left wall of the entrance. The first photo shows a vertical shadow and the second a slightly angled shadow. The reason for the difference in  both Darnell photos is that in the second, Frazier is leaning slightly backwards, probably to see better, what was happening further down the street.

I still don't see how the 'shadow' going down Lovelady's shirt, which seems to follow the orientation of Lovelady's body uncannily, can possibly be cast by the west portal. He's not nearly far west enough



Here's the scene a few seconds later. No hint of a shadow cast on the woman in white below Frazier. And most if not all of Frazier's chest is catching direct sunlight

[Duncan MacRae]

the vertical shadow is caused by the left wall of the entrance.

Actually, it isn't Ray.

The vertical shadow on Lovelady is caused by the inner West side vertical support pillar.

[Ray Mitcham]

Actually, it isn't Ray.

The vertical shadow on Lovelady is caused by the inner West side vertical support pillar.

I disagree totally,, but nevertheless, show us your calculations or proof, Duncan.

Matters not anyway, as the shadow is still caused by the vertical edge of the doorway whether the outside or the inner vertical.