Prayer Woman

[Thomas Graves]

Thanks Ray.

You ain't see nothin' yet, though.

Just wait until I start talking about Angleton's bugbears, (blond, short, very thin-faced) NIKOLAI LEONOV, and triple-agent "Byetkov*?" (IVAN OBYEDKOV).

Oh yeah, and triple-agent Alexei Kulak ("Fedora"), and ("Dept. 13") Oleg Brykin, and Gunter Schulz (Hoover's "Tumbleweed"), and ... gasp ... Valeriy Kostikov, and the fact that Department 13 of the First Chief Directorate was probably shut down in 1959!

--  Tommy

[Thomas Graves]

Larsen, GRAVES, and yes, you helped a little bit by swallowing your pride and honestly reporting Craig Calvery's voluntary observation that his mom is visible in Betzner 3 (wearing a black blouse, a black headscarf, and standing tall, not far from the Woman In All White).  Too bad you didn't tape record your conversation with him ...

Interesting how you leave me out of the equation so often, Brian, seein' as how it was I who tentatively identified Gloria Calvery in Betzner 3 about a year before you called her son ...

LOL

--  Tommy

[Thomas Graves]

There's more to it than that, Michael.

There's also Frazier's noticeable turning towards Prayer Person (or vice versa, or both?) at some point between the end of the Wiegman clip and the beginning of the Couch-Darnell clip, and how that fact correlates quite well with Frazier's stating that he and a "Sarah" (whom he claims was standing near him) both heard a girl who "came by" the steps soon after the final shot and announced to the people there (on the lower steps) that Kennedy had been shot, and how this "Sarah" and he had turned towards each other at that point and asked each other whether or not they had both heard this girl (most likely Gloria Calvery) correctly.

--  Tommy 

[Michael Walton]

ALAN FORD...

Now you say that it can't be Mr Oswald because this makes no sense if he was being framed as the sixth-floor shooter.
Question for you! Why should we assume he was being framed as the sixth-floor shooter?

Because he said so. He also said that the BYP's were faked too.  That's good enough for me because Oswald never got his day alive in court with fair representation. He even mentions this at the "short and sweet" midnight press conference.  Everyone is entitled to that. Even OJ, Manson, MacDonald, McVeigh and all the rest had their day in court. Oswald did not. When the conspiracy came full circle by Ruby, it closed forever Oswald's right to a fair trial. Instead, in death, it opened the door to dithering, lies and deception to come to a preconceived conclusion.

[Alan Ford]

ALAN FORD...

Now you say that it can't be Mr Oswald because this makes no sense if he was being framed as the sixth-floor shooter.
Question for you! Why should we assume he was being framed as the sixth-floor shooter?

Because he said so.

Huh?

Question: Did you shoot the President?
Answer: No, they've taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union... I'm just a patsy!

They = the police, targeting him because of his background.
Nothing to do with the conspirators framing him as the gunman.

So-----back to my question!

Why should we assume that Mr Oswald was being set up as the sixth-floor shooter?

[Michael Walton]

For goodness sake, Allen. Are you that desperate? The man denied being involved with everything. He said the BYP were faked. And yes, he used the word "patsy," as in he was being blamed for something, which is the definition of that word.

I'm not going to argue or quibble with you about this any more.  If you think this guy, who supposedly was just some lone nut who decided to shoot Kennedy on 11/22 because of his so-called Marxist beliefs, then fine...have at it. If he supposedly was in Mexico trying to go back to Russia, why in the world would he then make an about-face and decide to shoot Kennedy? It makes no sense.

I don't accept the official conclusion. The shooting sequence alone using the so-called POS gun he allegedly used makes it almost impossible for someone to have pulled it off.

The so-called bullet that was supposed to have caused all of the non-fatal wounds in two men and coming out near pristine raises more questions than answers.

These and other inconsistencies would have been more than enough doubt in a court of law by a team of lawyers.

Even Castro himself knew something was fishy, but not Kennedy's own government:

https://kennedysandking.com/news-items/castro-figured-out-the-jfk-case-in-five-days-speech-of-november-27th-1963

And even Oswald himself was no lone nut drifting through life and deciding to shoot Kennedy on a whim. But of course the official conclusion says otherwise:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret.html

But like I said, if he you want to believe in the official conclusion, then congratulations.

[Alan Ford]

For goodness sake, Allen. Are you that desperate? The man denied being involved with everything. He said the BYP were faked. And yes, he used the word "patsy," as in he was being blamed for something, which is the definition of that word.

I'm not going to argue or quibble with you about this any more.  If you think this guy, who supposedly was just some lone nut who decided to shoot Kennedy on 11/22 because of his so-called Marxist beliefs, then fine...have at it. If he supposedly was in Mexico trying to go back to Russia, why in the world would he then make an about-face and decide to shoot Kennedy? It makes no sense.

I don't accept the official conclusion. The shooting sequence alone using the so-called POS gun he allegedly used makes it almost impossible for someone to have pulled it off.

The so-called bullet that was supposed to have caused all of the non-fatal wounds in two men and coming out near pristine raises more questions than answers.

These and other inconsistencies would have been more than enough doubt in a court of law by a team of lawyers.

Even Castro himself knew something was fishy, but not Kennedy's own government:

https://kennedysandking.com/news-items/castro-figured-out-the-jfk-case-in-five-days-speech-of-november-27th-1963

And even Oswald himself was no lone nut drifting through life and deciding to shoot Kennedy on a whim. But of course the official conclusion says otherwise:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret.html

But like I said, if he you want to believe in the official conclusion, then congratulations.

Huh? You think I'm a LNer?!? 

I believe Mr Oswald is Prayer Man, which would-----and I assumed this part was, er, not altogether unobvious-----make it rather difficult for him to be the sixth-floor shooter.

I believe Mr Oswald was framed as a conspirator through being tied to the Mannlicher Carcano, and that it did not take him long after the shooting to put 2 and 2 together.

The only reason you have offered against Prayer Man being Mr Oswald is that the only way he could have been framed was as the sixth-floor shooter. I find this illogical!