Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

BS. Pure speculation is not ?dead proof? of anything.

If you watch the whole interview, Frazier gestures with his right hand frequently.

 

"And I turned to Sarah..."

[Larry Trotter]

As a reminder:

The PrayerPersonImage identity issue, as I recall, developed in about 2013, some 50years, one-half century, after the 11/22/'63 assassination of USP JohnKennedySr, and critical wounding of TxG JohnConnallyJr in Dallas' DealeyPlaza, just after their vehicle passing the TexasSchoolBookDepository Building Elm St entrance portal at 12:30pm CST. The pictures of the portal area are most likely film stills taken from a moving MotorcadeVehicle, by a hand held motion picture imaging camera.

The PrayerPersonImage is in my conclusion, along with others as well, representing a female then employed at the TSBD Bldg who was, as most of the bldg employees, outside during lunchtime to view the passing motorcade.

The PrayerPersonImage identity had not previously been an issue, as it had no bearing on the evidence relative to the shootings and assassination. That was until someone came along and decided that PrayerPersonImage represented a male, and therefor decided to reference PrayerPersonImage as PrayerMan apparently because PrayerPersonImage had not, at least to someone, been positively identified.

But, there is more, as since not otherwise identified, someone decided that their PrayerManImageTheory included the now deceased accused assassination shooter, LeeHarveyOswald, since he also was then employed at the TSBD Bldg and had also not yet been positively identified, in their opinion, anywhere else as filmed at about 12:30pm,CST. Remembering of course, that LeeHarveyOswald was himself shot and killed, while in police custody, on the morning of 11/24/'63, just two days after the fatal shooting of President Kennedy and critical wounding of Governor Connally. He was also the primary suspect in the shooting death of DPD Officer JD Tippit in Dallas' OakCliff area about 45 minutes after the DealeyPlaza shootings.

So, the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory was born. However, since a SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter occurred with LeeHarveyOswald and TSBD BuildingSuperintendent RoyTruly along with DPD MotorcyclePatrolOfficer MarrionBaker at about 12:31pm/12:32pm CST 11/22/'63, a timing problem issue developed. OfficerBaker was a MotorcadeEscort, following several vehicles behind the Presidential Limousine, and he was approaching the TSBD Bldg just ahead of him as he rode along northbound on Houston St, when the shots were fired at the motorcade that had turned onto Elm St and was then westbound. When he reached Elm St, he parked his motorcycle and entered the TSBD Bldg to do a preliminary search, accompanied by RoyTruly. But, unable to locate a then viable suspect, and with other LawOfficers now searching the bldg, OfficerBaker rejoined the Motorcade that had gone to ParklandHospital. Therefor, for the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerMan Theory to now work, the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter HoaxTheory was born, due to the timing of both situational events. However, the SecondFloor LunchRoomEncounter has reliable provable evidence that it occurred at about 90 to 120 seconds after the DealeyPlaza shooting, and there is no reliable provable evidence indicative of it being a Hoax.

Now, with a history changing event like the LeeHarveyOswald/PrayerManTheory, stories can be told, and articles written, likely by professional story tellers and article writers. And possibly a book, or several books, can be written and then sold. Maybe even a movie or two can be made.

Testimony and sworn statements offer valid evidence that LeeHarveyOswald was not on the landing or stairs as  filming took place. But, testimony and sworn statements place two otherwise unidentified known occupants, SarahStanton and PaulineSanders, on the landing/stairs at the time of the assassination/shooting. So, with questionable if any, positive image identity produced by image viewing alone, the eyewitness testimony narrows the choices to SarahStanton and PaulineSanders.

In any event, research has now developed evidence indicative of SarahStanton as being the person represented by PrayerPersonImage, aka PrayerWomanImage. So, in an effort for accuracy and true image identification, an ongoing debate and evidence dispute continues.

However, said conclusions are based on reliable indicative evidence.

As it stands, it stands as...

[Walt Cakebread]

As it stands, it stands as...

That's an excellent summation Mr Trotter.....Thank You

[Zeon Mason]

And then there's this from Mr Campbell's FBI interview 11/24:



So! The rush towards the grassy knoll which he told Mr Biffle about turns out only to have been a movement of 'a few feet'----------after which he returned to the building.

The grounds for believing that Mr Campbell and Mrs Reid saw Mr Oswald as they passed the 'small storage room' just off the front lobby, by the front stairs-------



--------are strong!

 

I think you can see a man who looks pretty much exactly like Mr Campbell, running as far as to the Stemmons freeway sign, in the Malcom Couch film at about 8 secs into the film, as Couch pans away from where Mrs Reid is standing with other women.

That puts Mr. Campbell approximately 100 ft away from where he was standing on the curb with Mrs Reid as seen in the Wiegman film.

But then one has to wonder how Couch film could have caught Mr. Campbell doing this at 32 seconds post shots, when Mr. Campbell AND Mrs Reid both suggest as parting occured AT the 3rd shot fired. So if Mr Campbell began running towards the Stemmons freeway sign 1 or 2 seconds post last shot fired, he cwould have run 100 ft EASILY by 15 secs. NOT 32 secs.

So something is off on the Couch film supposedly starting at 24 sec post shots. To have capture Weigman turning around at 15 sec post shot and Campbell running by Stemmons sign at 15 secs post last shot, and this seen at the 8 sec mark in Couch film would defacto require Couch film to have begone at 7 seconds post last shot.

If Couch really caught Baker running past, why didnt Couch mention this in his WC testimony. Couch only refers to the getting a CLOSEUP of an officer with gun drawn. Thats NOT Baker. That  closeup of a cop is when Couch cuts and restarts his camera as they travel down Elm st and the officer is seen to left of the car as they go past him.

So this puts into the question since, Mrs Reid has DISSAPPEARED in the Darnell film, but is apparently being caught at 24 seconds post shots by Couch film and Baker running past, HOW is this possible? A couple of other people seem to vanish also, in the overlapp comparison of Couch and Darnell, and this suggests one of the films is later than the other.

Then one has to question if there is any way possible that the Couch film is a composite film of Darnell catching Baker running at 24 sec post shots, overlayed with Couch film that actually began at 5 to 7 seconds post shots.

This would make it SEEM like Mrs Reid was there when Baker ran past, while in fact, Mrs Reid could have left at about 10 sec post shots, she being completely 180 turned around and facing TSBD just before Couch film pans away about 5 sec into Couch film.

One has to wonder why Mrs Reid also has NO mention of Baker almost running right thru her. Neither Couch nor Reid, nor any other of those women whom apparently Baker is running thru made any mention of seeing a DPD officer running thru them.

Very curious.

[Alan Ford]

[...]

So this puts into the question since, Mrs Reid has DISSAPPEARED in the Darnell film, [...]

We don't know what Mrs Reid looked like!

Then one has to question if there is any way possible that the Couch film is a composite film of Darnell catching Baker running at 24 sec post shots, overlayed with Couch film that actually began at 5 to 7 seconds post shots.

No!

[Royell Storing]

I think you can see a man who looks pretty much exactly like Mr Campbell, running as far as to the Stemmons freeway sign, in the Malcom Couch film at about 8 secs into the film, as Couch pans away from where Mrs Reid is standing with other women.

That puts Mr. Campbell approximately 100 ft away from where he was standing on the curb with Mrs Reid as seen in the Wiegman film.

But then one has to wonder how Couch film could have caught Mr. Campbell doing this at 32 seconds post shots, when Mr. Campbell AND Mrs Reid both suggest as parting occured AT the 3rd shot fired. So if Mr Campbell began running towards the Stemmons freeway sign 1 or 2 seconds post last shot fired, he cwould have run 100 ft EASILY by 15 secs. NOT 32 secs.

So something is off on the Couch film supposedly starting at 24 sec post shots. To have capture Weigman turning around at 15 sec post shot and Campbell running by Stemmons sign at 15 secs post last shot, and this seen at the 8 sec mark in Couch film would defacto require Couch film to have begone at 7 seconds post last shot.

If Couch really caught Baker running past, why didnt Couch mention this in his WC testimony. Couch only refers to the getting a CLOSEUP of an officer with gun drawn. Thats NOT Baker. That  closeup of a cop is when Couch cuts and restarts his camera as they travel down Elm st and the officer is seen to left of the car as they go past him.

So this puts into the question since, Mrs Reid has DISSAPPEARED in the Darnell film, but is apparently being caught at 24 seconds post shots by Couch film and Baker running past, HOW is this possible? A couple of other people seem to vanish also, in the overlapp comparison of Couch and Darnell, and this suggests one of the films is later than the other.

Then one has to question if there is any way possible that the Couch film is a composite film of Darnell catching Baker running at 24 sec post shots, overlayed with Couch film that actually began at 5 to 7 seconds post shots.

This would make it SEEM like Mrs Reid was there when Baker ran past, while in fact, Mrs Reid could have left at about 10 sec post shots, she being completely 180 turned around and facing TSBD just before Couch film pans away about 5 sec into Couch film.

One has to wonder why Mrs Reid also has NO mention of Baker almost running right thru her. Neither Couch nor Reid, nor any other of those women whom apparently Baker is running thru made any mention of seeing a DPD officer running thru them.

Very curious.

       Assigning timelines to JFK Assassination witnesses based on the currently accepted timelines of assassination films/images is a Huge Mistake. Especially when the Wiegman Film is involved. For roughly 40 years it was merely accepted/rubber stamped that Wiegman shot his film Continuously. Today, we Know that is Total BS. As Wiegman was running around the knoll, he claimed in Trask's "Pictures Of The Pain" that he saw SA Lem Johns UP on the knoll. Somehow, the image of SA Lem Johns avoided being captured Anywhere on the Wiegman Film. As long as this Black Hole remains in the Wiegman Film, using it to timeline anything or anybody immediately after the assassination will result in the absolute confusion lamented above.   

[Royell Storing]

    My personal opinion based on 40 years of listening to the Ever Morphing Story promoted by Buell Frazier = his Not being a Reliable Witness. I believe Frazier is sincere about whatever he might be saying, but  as used to be said regarding individuals such as this, "Nobody's home".

[Alan Ford]

    As I said, Frazier's story has consistently changed over the last 40+ years. Relying on someone that after 40+ years Suddenly starts telling everyone he was going to deck Fritz is Not where you want to go.

Mr Storing, I think that's too sweeping a statement. Mr Frazier's story has not "consistently changed". Many key elements have remained invariable.

Such as----------for instance-----------CE-142 being too long to be the bag Mr Oswald brought to work the morning of 11/22/63.

And----------for another instance------------his placing of Ms Stanton to his left at the top of the front entrance!