Prayer Woman

[Michael Clark]

No he hasn't -- you just made that up.

Frazier has consistently said that Stanton was to his left.  For example here at 53:18:

He even (supposedly) told you that she was to his left, before you tried to "correct" him with your nonsense.

It’s interesting that the interviewer asks several times about people with cameras, then specifically asks Frazier if anyone on the top step had a camera. It’s almost as if he was aware of the PM figure, back in 2002.

[Barry Pollard]

Andrej has suggested that there are probably two people to Buell's left on the landing in Darnell, one behind the other.


Now people before you make a rash decision on that consider this, if you can find Calvary in the above then look at her left arm, that's not hers, that's part of yet another woman and what she is doing is, looking back down the street(if you know who first spotted that feel free to speak up).
IF Andrej's correct then IMO we are probably seeing the left side(our right) and very top of the head of the second person in the back(you might want to zoom in and take your time but it's not at all obvious).

Also I noticed Sandy's regrouped his and Tommy's work on Calvery and repackaged it with a full explanation and updates.  Not that our resident informer would ever pick up on anything positive coming from that side of the playground.

[Barry Pollard]

It’s interesting that the interviewer asks several times about people with cameras, then specifically asks Frazier if anyone on the top step had a camera. It’s almost as if he was aware of the PM figure, back in 2002.

Yes, Gary was clearly exploring the idea there and he had good quality Wiegman frames at the SFM and probably in his private collection too well before this, so I'd say your hunch is correct Michael.  Personally I agree with others that the bright item is going to PM's mouth rather than his eye in Wiegman, not that that alone rules anything out.

[Barry Pollard]

You know what else happens in that section, Frazier tells us that the lead motorcycle cops were deliberately making their bikes backfire seconds before the shooting started.  If true and let's say it was just one cop doing that because involving all four is just unnescessary, cruising down Houston and Elm making it pop, 30-20 seconds before similar sounds start up, couldn't that go some way to explaining the non reaction from almost everyone?  Pretty smart.
Anyway, however interesting it is to consider it for a minute, actually trusting revelations like this is just not an option for me anymore.  It's more likely garbled memories.

[Barry Pollard]

There's no second person there...

You couldn't tell a real image of LHO from a cartoon what nut would rely on your eye?

There's no camera in Prayer Man's hands...What you are seeing is Stanton handling her purse while talking to Frazier as he described in his 2013 interview...

Your personal interpretation is about as legitimate to me as an alien abduction.

There's no intelligent follow-through on Larsen's confirmation of Calvery on the steps because the membership over there knows it leads to Prayer Man being Stanton...

Not for me it doesn't.  I say it's a man and that Frazier in Darnell is neither looking directly at him, talking to him, nor showing any outward signs of shock, surprise or even, life itself for that matter.
Calvery made it to the steps in less that 20, that's interesting in and of itself, also that both Baker and Smith heard her or her friend screaming and both cops headed directly toward them, that's all I need for now, I have no compulsion to hang some stringbean theory to that nice work, at least not yet.

[Barry Pollard]

Brian you are without doubt one of the most interesting individuals around but the preaching I have to take exception to.  Anyway, just ignore the head for a second, that could be just the shadow line from the lintel, look at the left arm, to our right, that seems to be a different shade and it seems seperate from the front of the torso, further back, perhaps, is all I'm saying.
Also on another figure, going by it's head alone, it's perfectly understandable to me that someone would think that could be Lovelady still on the steps, because that head is a great match for exactly what we see in Wiegman and know to be Billy.  HAND.

[Larry Trotter]

The person(Prayer) in Wiegman, next to Lovelady, is approx 2.5 inches shorter than Lovelady.
That person is on the 1st step down from the landing in Wiegman.
Lovelady, who is on the 1st step down from the landing moves to the 2nd step down.
The person(Prayer) in Darnell, if it's the same in Wiegman(approx 30 seconds between frames) has moved back on top of the landing, approx 2ft back from the landing edge.
My opinion of course.

Just looking at the film stills, I do not see anything that indicates PrayerPersonImage is on a lower step, and not on the landing in WFilm, versus standing on the landing in DFilm. Perhaps an explanation?