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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2018, 01:15:03 PM »
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I rarely speculate and when I do I make it clear that I am. I use the actual evidence found in the twenty-six volumes unlike you.


You "speculate " that Kleins sent a 36 inch long Carcano to Dallas .....By insisting that the rifle was a 36 inch long  Carcano carbine which has a stock length of 28 inches, you play right into the hands of those who insist that Lee had a disassembled carcano in the brown paper sack he carried that morning.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2018, 01:15:03 PM »


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #145 on: January 23, 2018, 02:21:26 PM »
The postal money order is a non-starter, the "everything is faked," gallery, points out.
The archivist who claimed to have recovered the original in the Arlington, VA archive was
obviously in on the manufacturing and faking of that piece of evidence, along with Harry
Holmes on Saturday afternoon, into mid-evening.

Lance Payette is a gullible fool to assert that the file locator number he
identified on that money order was instrumental in any way in recovering that
evidence at the archive in Arlington via a computer search using that locator
number for its designed purpose. The file locator number is so much fake window
dressing on a manufactured fake financial instrument.

Are you following these points, so far?

Continuing to simply accept every element at face value, Oswald was the stupidest
perp who ever begged to self incriminate and be almost immediately be found out
and determined obviously guilty.

Nevermind the contradictions, the interest in and ability to acquire Russian language skills,
USMC air controller skills, pass through the Helsinki visa process and enter the Soviet Union
in record tying rapidity, talk his way into admission, residence, a job in a restricted military
sensitive occupation in a quasi closed Soviet city, date and marry the niece of an interior
ministry colonel, obtain permission to quickly exit with his technically trained (at the expense of the state)
new wife after rapidly obtaining permission from all potentially obstructive or delaying parties, to marry,
and then return to the Moscow embassy to recover his U.S. passport upon his impending exit
from the SU, despite having allegedly threatened in that same embassy to reveal classified U-2 related
details to the Soviets.

He stumbled through all of those steps without a misstep, even parlaying his initial faked suicide
attempt to his advantage.

He slipped back into the U.S. according to the official narrative, without so much as summoning
sufficient interest from CIA or ONI to expend the effort to debrief him.

Either by sheer luck or by anticipating how to game the tendency to fiercely protect sources and
methods, he slipped in and back out of Mexico City without producing enough presentable confirmation
of his actual presence in that city to even satisfy the WC investigators that he had definitely made that
trip.

But, after all of that, you know down to your 'nads that he did all of the stupid stuff you unceasingly
attribute to him....buying traceable weapons, establishing a photographic record strutting with those
weapons while sporting two conflicting commie publications, creating a ridiculously obvious fake
draft card and salting his paper trail with the fake name on that I.D., via a vaccination card and
an FPCC record, while concealing one of the most difficult components, purchase of the oddball ammo
for the dysfunctional rifle you ardently believe he was carrying around Dallas without vehicle transport.
shooting it at an army general and then at the president and the governor.

You act as if you are a victim of irrational abuse by irrational opponents who are not all "everything is
fake," CTs, but instead, thoughtful, curious individuals with open minds and keen sense of smell.

In the aggregate, the points (contradictions) I described above are as unlikely as the trajectory of
the magic bullet and the coincidental disappearance of all electronic recording and direct paper record
of the friday afternoon comments of Drs. Perry and Kemp, until 1976, and much longer in the example
of their press conference copy stamped 11/26/63, identified by the ARRB more than 25 years later
as being in the paper workflow of SS chief Rowley, even as he was maintaining norecord whatsoever of
the 11/22 opinions of Kemp or Perry could be located in 1964!

Your incurious certainty is your most obvious liability in your effort to convince any reasonable person
that there is definitely and obviously nothing to wonder about a mad dog lone nut with a scrambled egg
for a brain, in his careless, sloppy pursuit of eternal infamy!
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #146 on: January 23, 2018, 06:47:35 PM »

Nevermind the contradictions, the interest in and ability to acquire Russian language skills,


His skill level in Russian was generally poor. He supposedly could read Russian well.

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USMC air controller skills,


I think he was trained in radar.

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pass through the Helsinki visa process


He was given a six-day visa based on his claim to be a student traveler.

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and enter the Soviet Unionin record tying rapidity, talk his way into admission, residence, a job in a restricted military sensitive occupation in a quasi closed Soviet city,


Oswald worked as a lathe operator in a radio factory in Minsk, which produced mostly consumer products, with some military and space contracts.

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date and marry the niece of an interior ministry colonel,


Oswald proposed marriage to Ella German, a co-worker at the factory. He was rejected and met Marina shortly after.

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obtain permission to quickly exit with his technically trained (at the expense of the state) new wife


You mean Marina, the 19-year-old pharmacology student?

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after rapidly obtaining permission from all potentially obstructive or delaying parties, to marry, and then return to the Moscow embassy to recover his U.S. passport upon his impending exit from the SU, despite having allegedly threatened in that same embassy to reveal classified U-2 related details to the Soviets.


Oswald never formally renounced his citizenship. And he had no "secrets" about the U-2.

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He stumbled through all of those steps without a misstep,


The potential for "stumbling" seems based on how artificially high you've subjectively raised the bar.

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two conflicting commie publications,


One was Trotskyist and the other pro-Soviet. That aside, they were American publications that were leftist, socialist, pro-Castro and critical of US policy. The Trotskyist publication, "The Militant", published more of Castro's speeches and the Cuban viewpoint than "The Worker".

...snip the rest...

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #147 on: January 23, 2018, 07:38:49 PM »
You are either lying or confused as I don't think ANY rifle was sent to LHO. You, like the LNers, claim that he ordered a 36" Carbine but was sent a 40" short rifle.

There is NO evidence showing that LHO ever received any rifle at his P.O. Box.

You, like the LNers, claim that he ordered a 36" Carbine but was sent a 40" short rifle.

I make no such claim.....My position is:.....Lee didn't give a damn about he "fine print"....  He And George De M simply wanted a cheap unusual easy to trace rifle that they could leave as a "throw down gun" near Walker's residence  after the
hoax attempt to shoot Walker.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #148 on: January 23, 2018, 09:56:26 PM »
Only days later, Lt Day produced a card with one print on it which he claimed came from the rifle.

This simply isn't true.....   The DPD turned over to the FBI that unidentifiable smudge that as later called Lee palm print at Midnight 11/22/63.

Says the guy waving an undated evidence list.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #149 on: January 23, 2018, 10:01:15 PM »
No need to rely on the only person who witnessed the crime?

Do you think Domingo Benavides didn't witness the murder?

That's correct.  Read his testimony.  He heard the shots, but didn't see Tippit being shot.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #150 on: January 23, 2018, 10:02:38 PM »
Endless contrarian nonsense.  Prove the sky is blue if someone can dismiss any such evidence out of hand as the potential product of fakery and lies.

And you should believe Richard's unsupported nonsense because the sky is blue.




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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #151 on: January 23, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »
You, like the LNers, claim that he ordered a 36" Carbine but was sent a 40" short rifle.

I make no such claim.....My position is:.....Lee didn't give a damn about he "fine print"....  He And George De M simply wanted a cheap unusual easy to trace rifle that they could leave as a "throw down gun" near Walker's residence  after the
hoax attempt to shoot Walker.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #151 on: January 23, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »