Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle

[John Iacoletti]

You, like the LNers, claim that he ordered a 36" Carbine but was sent a 40" short rifle.

I make no such claim.....My position is:.....Lee didn't give a damn about he "fine print"....  He And George De M simply wanted a cheap unusual easy to trace rifle that they could leave as a "throw down gun" near Walker's residence  after the
hoax attempt to shoot Walker.

Walt Fabrication #55

[Michael Clark]

Marina denies that she showed Jeanne De Mohrenschildt the rifle...

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever show that rifle to the De Mohrenschildts?
Mrs. OSWALD. I know that De Mohrenschildts had said that the rifle had been shown to him, but I don't remember that.

Feb 3, 1964 (that's the date on page 1 of my copy of the testimony)

[Walt Cakebread]

That's correct.  Read his testimony.  He heard the shots, but didn't see Tippit being shot.

Perhaps he didn't see the gun in the hand of the killer being fired at Tippit but Benavides absolutely witnessed the murder.....He described Tipit walking towaed the front f the car and then collapsing to the street a he time the shots were being fired...

[Walt Cakebread]

Says the guy waving an undated evidence list.

The evidence list needs no date on it to know that it was created on the evening of 11 / 22/63 .....  Any reasonably intelligent person can compare the evidence lists and comprehend that  the so called "palm print was turned over to the FBI at midnight along with the other evidence .....Like the very first item on the list....The 6.5mm rifle.

[John Iacoletti]

The evidence list needs no date on it to know that it was created on the evening of 11 / 22/63

Then how do you know that it was created on the evening of 11/22/63?

[Walt Cakebread]

Then how do you know that it was created on the evening of 11/22/63?

I've explained this to you many times......  But apparently you're too dense to comprehend .

[John Iacoletti]

I've explained this to you many times......  But apparently you too dense to comprehend .

I already know the answer -- you made it up.

[Tom Scully]

.........

Continuing to simply accept every element at face value, Oswald was the stupidest
perp who ever begged to self incriminate and be almost immediately be found out
and determined obviously guilty.

Nevermind the contradictions, the interest in and ability to acquire Russian language skills,
USMC air controller skills, pass through the Helsinki visa process and enter the Soviet Union
in record tying rapidity, talk his way into admission, residence, a job in a restricted military
sensitive occupation in a quasi closed Soviet city, date and marry the niece of an interior
ministry colonel, obtain permission to quickly exit with his technically trained (at the expense of the state)
new wife after rapidly obtaining permission from all potentially obstructive or delaying parties, to marry,
and then return to the Moscow embassy to recover his U.S. passport upon his impending exit
from the SU, despite having allegedly threatened in that same embassy to reveal classified U-2 related
details to the Soviets.

He stumbled through all of those steps without a misstep, even parlaying his initial faked suicide
attempt to his advantage.

He slipped back into the U.S. according to the official narrative, without so much as summoning
sufficient interest from CIA or ONI to expend the effort to debrief him.

Either by sheer luck or by anticipating how to game the tendency to fiercely protect sources and
methods, he slipped in and back out of Mexico City without producing enough presentable confirmation
of his actual presence in that city to even satisfy the WC investigators that he had definitely made that
trip.......
.......

It is reasonable to have reasonable doubt about taking the official determinations (re: Oswald) at face value, unreasonable to have no doubt.:

His skill level in Russian was generally poor. He supposedly could read Russian well.

I think he was trained in radar.

He was given a six-day visa based on his claim to be a student traveler.

Oswald worked as a lathe operator in a radio factory in Minsk, which produced mostly consumer products, with some military and space contracts.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24491-oswald-as-locksmith/?do=findComment&comment=366539
Lance Payette  Posted December, 2017
....I suppose LHO's background with the military would have made him a logical candidate for radio factory work, but it is odd that he would have been sent to a factory 400 miles from Moscow with a highly sensitive area - and some of the sensitive work did involve radar.  If they really thought he was the nuisance they claimed, they could have sent him to a potato farm or grocery store.

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Lance Payette  posted December, 2017
....I've mentioned previously that my wife's sister worked in the sensitive (military) portion of the Minsk Radio Factory, where my wife visited her on numerous occasions.  My wife couldn't get within 50 yards of the sensitive area, which did military work - she had to telephone her sister from the lobby and wait for her there.  Employees of the sensitive area were not even allowed to leave the USSR on vacations.

The remainder of the facility was a standard radio and TV factory.  "Regulator" was LHO's job classification, but his actual job was as a machinist (lathe operator).  The Russian word for locksmith does appear in the short resignation document, but I'm not sure that is the complete and accurate translation since I can't read the word immediately after locksmith.  This again may be referring to the job classification and may be the same as regulator.

I have a hard time believing LHO would have been allowed anywhere near the sensitive portion of the Minsk Radio Factory.  The following site, which does include some interesting photos and discussion of LHO's work in Minsk (there are two pages), speculates that LHO might have been employed for a brief time in the sensitive area in 1960 to ferret out whether he showed any spy-like tendencies, then shifted to grunt-level work when he didn't show any such tendencies:  http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/minsk3.htm

But this does not explain why his 1962 resignation would still be referring to the "experimental shop."  My guess would be that the experimental shop meant the R&D area of the radio and TV portion of the factory, not the sensitive experimental shop described at the above site.  LHO's essay on the factory (quoted at the above site) shows no awareness of the sensitive work, which I find more believable than the notion he would have been allowed into an area that was grimly sensitive. ....

Oswald proposed marriage to Ella German, a co-worker at the factory. He was rejected and met Marina shortly after.

You mean Marina, the 19-year-old pharmacology student?

Oswald never formally renounced his citizenship. And he had no "secrets" about the U-2.

The potential for "stumbling" seems based on how artificially high you've subjectively raised the bar.

One was Trotskyist and the other pro-Soviet. That aside, they were American publications that were leftist, socialist, pro-Castro and critical of US policy. The Trotskyist publication, "The Militant", published more of Castro's speeches and the Cuban viewpoint than "The Worker".

...snip the rest...

I am addressing incuriousness....the lack of even reasonable doubt: buoying rigidity of belief.
Jerry....reads like you were perhaps quoting "the Bug?" And a nice try....but I make an extra
effort to post only what is reasonable in that the details I post can be credibly supported!

Testimony of Marina Oswald - Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
....Then when I graduated I worked in a pharmacy as a full-fledged pharmacist--as a pharmacist's assistant....

Oswald's Ex-Captain Takes Aim at Single-Shooter Theory - latimes
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-21/local/me-59498_1_oswald-s-marksmanship
Oswald's Ex-Captain Takes Aim at Single-Shooter Theory. November 21, 1993|DANA PARSONS ... Block was only 29 himself when, as a Marine Corps captain, he supervised the young Oswald and about 35 to 40 other enlistees as part of Air Control Squadron Nine at the Tustin air base.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/180-10147-10175.pdf
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