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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #256 on: March 01, 2021, 10:22:59 PM »
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Of course. Remember that Oswald's favorite target was supposedly...yup-- leaves  :D

Oh Yeah, that's right..... Lee simply had to poke the carcano out of a window and say BBBoom---BANG- BANG and kill president Kennedy and wound Connelly, and James Teague.  :D

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #257 on: March 05, 2021, 06:11:53 PM »
No answers to the questions just whatever this is?

Question #1

Can you prove there was a third shot?  LHO never fired three shots in 5 seconds. He is being credited with doing something he never accomplished.

Three empty cartridge cases were allegedly found by the so called snipers window. What does that prove? You tell me.
That is not an answer to this question.  "Can you prove there was a third shot? "

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Question #2

"Can you explain why it is necessary to live fire the rifle every time you practice with the rifle? It seems to be a deciding factor to you in whether someone is practicing or not."

This is not an answer to the question, in fact it is just a ridiculous answer. "Go watch some youtube gun posts and if you see a video where someone is 'dry-firing' or pointing a gun and yelling BANG... link it and put it up for us."

LHO did not perform the feat of three shots in 5+ seconds that he has been credited with performing. Two shots is all there is evidence of having taken place.

LHO did not have to live fire the rifle to be proficient with the firearm. The firearms experts were asked if they would like to practice dryfiring the Carcano before performing the shooting sequence and refused for concern over the firing pin. Obviously the WC considered a useful method of practicing.

LHO never fired three shots in 5 seconds.

Lee could possibly have fired three shots in five seconds when he was in Marine Corps basic training using the semi automatic M-1 Garand.   ( not sure of the rate of fire for the M-1 ) ....but he sure as hell could not have fired three aimed, and accurate shots in five seconds with that cranky old bolt action carcano. 

P.S. Wiki says....The semi-automatic operation and reduced recoil allowed soldiers to fire 8 rounds as quickly as they could pull the trigger, without having to move their hands on the rifle and therefore disrupt their firing position and point of aim.[36] The Garand's fire rate, in the hands of a trained soldier, averaged 40–50 accurate shots per minute at a range of 300 yards (270 m).

without having to move their hands on the rifle and therefore disrupt their firing position and point of aim.Which is  something that could not be done with a cranky old Mannlicher carcano that cocks on the upstroke of the bolt knob and that upstroke action of removing a hot expanded spent cartridge automatically pulled the muzzle waaaaay off target and required the shooter to realign the poorly designed "V" notch sights on target for the next shot.    Three shots on target in ten seconds is utterly impossible.
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #258 on: March 09, 2021, 03:28:26 PM »
A quote from Garrison's On the Trail....

An extremely large Oak tree made it unlikely that the first round fired would have hit anything more than a limb or a handful of leaves. 

Oops. This is John , below:
   
That oak tree. Keeps being mentioned.  So, if the first round hit the oak tree limb,...that would perhaps explain the back wounds irregular nature?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #259 on: March 09, 2021, 08:23:02 PM »
The clock starts at the first shot leaving only 2 shots to perform in whatever time one is claiming. Some say 8.3 seconds. HSCA claims testers twice achieved 2 shots in 1.6 sec, although only the first shot could be precisely aimed.

The Carcano was as fast or faster to operate than any other bolt-action rifle of the era:

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #260 on: March 10, 2021, 02:52:46 PM »
Oh Yeah, that's right..... Lee simply had to poke the carcano out of a window and say BBBoom---BANG- BANG and kill president Kennedy and wound Connelly, and James Teague.  :D

How did your fantasy conspirators do it?  That is the way a gun works.  I'm not so sure what is so complex about Oswald - who was trained to shoot by the US Marines - firing a rifle and killing someone.  A fairly simple feat for an individual with Oswald's training.  Charles Whitman hit human targets at much longer distances than Oswald with similar training.  Nothing you have suggested precludes Oswald from having committed the assassination of JFK.  Very weak sauce.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #261 on: March 10, 2021, 04:37:58 PM »
Z207 to z350. 143 frames. 7.9 seconds. Plenty of time for 3 shots and hits.
Interesting.  8.2 seconds from HCSA. Kind of makes you think.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #262 on: March 10, 2021, 07:12:39 PM »
The clock starts at the first shot leaving only 2 shots to perform in whatever time one is claiming. Some say 8.3 seconds. HSCA claims testers twice achieved 2 shots in 1.6 sec, although only the first shot could be precisely aimed.

The Carcano was as fast or faster to operate than any other bolt-action rifle of the era:


The Carcano was as fast or faster to operate than any other bolt-action rifle of the era:

The above statement is true..... But a key word is omitted..... "Accurately"

The Carcano was as fast or faster to fire accurately than any other bolt-action rifle of the era:

Now the addition of "fire accurately" to the statement includes a very important part of the sentence and it renders the sentence as posted to be very deceptive and total rubbish.

The video is also deceptive in that it portrays the man to be firing the carcano rapidly...... We have no idea of the film speed and we sure as hell don't know the range of the target ( probably stationary) and if the man hit the target.  So basically the video proves NOTHING with regard to the imaginary feat that Lee Oswald was imagined to have preformed.


OTOH....  The posting of the video does prove one thing.... The person who posted it is a desperate liar.
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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #263 on: March 10, 2021, 11:25:47 PM »
The above statement is true..... But a key word is omitted..... "Accurately"

The Carcano was as fast or faster to fire accurately than any other bolt-action rifle of the era:

Now the addition of "fire accurately" to the statement includes a very important part of the sentence and it renders the sentence as posted to be very deceptive and total rubbish.

The video is also deceptive in that it portrays the man to be firing the carcano rapidly...... We have no idea of the film speed and we sure as hell don't know the range of the target ( probably stationary) and if the man hit the target.  So basically the video proves NOTHING with regard to the imaginary feat that Lee Oswald was imagined to have preformed.


OTOH....  The posting of the video does prove one thing.... The person who posted it is a desperate liar.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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