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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #136 on: February 04, 2020, 02:34:41 PM »
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How about with a wonky scope that no one so far has incorporated into their re-enactment? The FBI needed to add 3 shims to the scope mount just so they could hit the target, let alone thread the needle. And why would qualified sharpshooter Oswald not have sighted in the scope when he practiced his ass off, as ALL sharpshooters must do to keep sharp? Ans: because he never even fired CE 139, otherwise, he would have left at least 1 print on it that wasn't put there post-mortem.

Face it, CE 139 was the planted patsy rifle. They used it to shoot magic bullet CE 399 into a swimming pool so they could plant it on the wrong stretcher in pristine condition with no DNA on it. Yeah, not too difficult.

I've often read CTers claim that the scope was defective.  And could not have been used by Oswald for that reason.  How would anyone know the condition of the scope at the moment of the assassination?  All that is known comes from examining it after the assassination.  That is after the rifle had been placed or dropped between some boxes during Oswald's flight which could have impacted the scope.  In addition, I recall that the scope was removed to check for fingerprints on the rifle.  Does anyone know if this occurred before or after testing the condition of the scope?   If the scope was removed and then replaced by the authorities, that could explain any misalignment.  Even if the scope were misaligned, a shooter who practiced with that rifle could compensate for any deficiency. 

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #137 on: February 04, 2020, 03:27:43 PM »
So why would someone need a telescope? Either a scope was required or it wasn't. If a bullet was indeed planted...it was while they were there. If the men who were shot and taken to Baylor Hospital ...who knows? Someone knew this in advance?

Trojan---"Face it, CE 139 was the planted patsy rifle. They used it to shoot magic bullet CE 399 into a swimming pool so they could plant it on the wrong stretcher in pristine condition with no DNA on it. Yeah, not too difficult"

The claim was the bullet was prefired into  a pool of water so it could be planted to implicate LHO.    " Somebody knew in advance that the bullet would pass through JFK's neck and strike JBC in the back? They would both be in Parkland needing medical attention?"

There was no need to use the scope. There was no need to remove the scope. A choice was made to leave it on the rifle.

Fragments from the second bullet also matched the same rifle. The rifle found on the 6th floor. The fragments were found in the Presidential Limousine. The whole bullet was found in Parkland on a stretcher.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #138 on: February 04, 2020, 08:06:49 PM »
Fragments from the second bullet also matched the same rifle. The rifle found on the 6th floor.
Let's explain that. That idea is absolutely impossible. A reach beyond belief.
You just simply cannot match a fragment of a bullet to a rifle. An entire bullet was required. Bullets are matched to weapons by their groove marks. 
1. There is no 'proof' that Lee Oswald fired this rifle and shot anyone.
2. There has been no re-enactment duplicating the proposed shooting attributed by the official report.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #139 on: February 04, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »
Exactly how do you align a scope to a rifle configured in the manner the carcano had been configured in? The scope mounting is offset to the left side of the barrel. If you align it to be pinpoint with the rifle barrel it is only accurate at one distance. If you align the scope to be parallel with the barrel, LHO would have had to known to estimate the crosshair setting to the left for an accurate shot. 



These were short range not long range shot distances. The use of a scope was not required.

How could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?

How could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?
>>> In CT wonderland, contradictions are ignored or, most likely, not even recognized as such. Anything goes.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #140 on: February 04, 2020, 09:05:27 PM »
Exactly how do you align a scope to a rifle configured in the manner the carcano had been configured in? The scope mounting is offset to the left side of the barrel. If you align it to be pinpoint with the rifle barrel it is only accurate at one distance. If you align the scope to be parallel with the barrel, LHO would have had to known to estimate the crosshair setting to the left for an accurate shot. 



These were short range not long range shot distances. The use of a scope was not required.

How could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?

How could anyone possibly have known they would have to "plant" anything at the hospital?

The Conspirators knew that JFK would be taken to a hospital.....  The bullet ( CE 399) was supposed to be planted in the car...But nobody could get close enough to drop the bullet in the Lincoln....Thus they improvised.... 

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #141 on: February 04, 2020, 09:46:32 PM »
Let's explain that. That idea is absolutely impossible. A reach beyond belief.
You just simply cannot match a fragment of a bullet to a rifle. An entire bullet was required. Bullets are matched to weapons by their groove marks. 
1. There is no 'proof' that Lee Oswald fired this rifle and shot anyone.
2. There has been no re-enactment duplicating the proposed shooting attributed by the official report.

The conclusion of the WC was at least two shots were fired. Firing two shots in 5+ seconds is easily possible. The eyewitnesses confirm there was in fact only two shots fired not three. The shells recovered on the 6th floor indicate there was only two shots fired not three.

The physical and other evidence examined by the Commission compels the conclusion that at least two shots were fired. As discussed previously, the nearly whole bullet discovered at Parkland Hospital and the two larger fragments found in the Presidential automobile, which were identified as coming from the assassination rifle, came from at least two separate bullets and possibly from three. The most convincing evidence relating to the number of shots was provided by the presence on the sixth floor of three spent cartridges which were demonstrated to have been fired by the same rifle that fired the bullets which caused the wounds. It is possible that the assassin carried an empty shell in the rifle and fired only two shots, with the witnesses hearing multiple noises made by the same shot. Soon after the three
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empty cartridges were found, officials at the scene decided that three shots were fired, and that conclusion was widely circulated by the press. The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired. Nevertheless, the preponderance of the evidence, in particular the three spent cartridges, led the Commission to conclude that there were three shots fired



Mr. EISENBERG - I now hand you a bullet fragment, what appears to be a bullet fragment, in a pill box which is labeled jacket and Lead Q-2, and it has certain initials on it. For the record, this was found--this bullet fragment was found--in the front portion of the car in which the President was riding. I ask you whether you are familiar with this object.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; I am.
Mr. EISENBERG - Is your mark on--
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this? Is this a bullet fragment, Mr. Frazier?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. This consists of a piece of the jacket portion of a bullet from the nose area and a piece of the lead core from under the jacket.

Mr. EISENBERG - How were you able to conclude it is part of the nose area?
Mr. FRAZIER - Because of the rifling marks which extend part way up the side, and then have the characteristic leading edge impressions and no longer continue along the bullet, and by the fact that the bullet has a rounded contour to it which has not been mutilated.
Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #142 on: February 04, 2020, 10:28:58 PM »
The conclusion of the WC was at least two shots were fired.   The eyewitnesses confirm there was in fact only two shots fired not three.
 Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.
Oh hell. Here enjoy the fiasco completely... 
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2019/12/kennedy-assassination-bullets-preserved-digital-form
What eyewitlesses "confirm" only two shots?

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2020, 10:52:23 PM »
Even if the scope were misaligned, a shooter who practiced with that rifle could compensate for any deficiency.

Possibly.

Who practiced with that rifle and when?

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Re: Can anybody provide proof of a successful reenactment of Oswald's feat?
« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2020, 10:52:23 PM »