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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #160 on: May 09, 2018, 06:01:39 AM »
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No, draw a horizontal line from the point the bullet hits JFK's back.

Why?

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What vertebrae is just below your Adam's apple?

Why do you ask? The bullet wound in Kennedy's throat was not just below the Adam's apple.

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #161 on: May 09, 2018, 04:39:36 PM »
The point is that that  is what a wound made from a yawed bullet strike looks like. It does look like an ellipse.
That hole looks roughly circular to me. You are looking at it from the side not directly above the wound.  If JBC's wound was made a tumbling bullet you would see a distinct ovoid shape, not an ellipse.  A true elliptical shape can only be made by a pristine bullet striking at an angle to the surface.  In the case of JBC's entrance wound, Dr. Shaw said that the long axis was twice as long as the short axis of the ellipse. 

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #162 on: May 09, 2018, 05:07:24 PM »

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #163 on: May 09, 2018, 07:30:28 PM »
That hole looks roughly circular to me. You are looking at it from the side not directly above the wound.  If JBC's wound was made a tumbling bullet you would see a distinct ovoid shape, not an ellipse.  A true elliptical shape can only be made by a pristine bullet striking at an angle to the surface.  In the case of JBC's entrance wound, Dr. Shaw said that the long axis was twice as long as the short axis of the ellipse.

The wound looks ovoid to me. The wound is ovoid. According to the measurement tool of Gimp, the long axis is twice as long as the short axis.

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #164 on: May 10, 2018, 01:58:28 AM »
The wound looks ovoid to me. The wound is ovoid. According to the measurement tool of Gimp, the long axis is twice as long as the short axis.

Did Gimp compensate for the oblique view?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #165 on: May 10, 2018, 11:06:08 PM »
Autopsy proves SBT impossible ??

Not even close.

If one accepts that JFK's back wound was an entry wound and that no bullet was found in the body, it stands to reason that the bullet transversed his body and could have gone on to strike JBC. 

So, no, the autopsy doesn't prove the SBT impossible.

I guess it's possible that somehow the bullet that entered JFK's back fell out and was never recovered, but that leaves the CTs another conundrum.

If the bullet that struck JFK in the back did not pass through his body and the throat wound is indeed an entrance wound, then where did the bullet that caused the throat wound go ?

I'm sure one of the geniuses here that claim the SBT is an impossibility has a logical answer.

Oh goody, Howard's back.

Since you're the logical genius, where did the bullet from the "first missed shot" go?

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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #166 on: May 11, 2018, 01:09:48 AM »

So, no, the autopsy doesn't prove the SBT impossible.

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I'm sure one of the geniuses here that claim the SBT is an impossibility has a logical answer.
I agree that the autopsy does not disprove the SBT. What disproves the SBT the trajectory, are the following:

1. the 20+ witnesses who said that JFK reacted to the first shot (not by smiling and waving for 3 seconds but by assuming  a blank look, moving to the left, reaching for his neck/chest);

2. the 20+ witnesses who placed the first shot after z191 (eg. Betzner, Hughes, bystanders along Elm, occupants of the VP car who said that they had completed the turn - it is still turning at z191, similarly for VP security and Cabell cars, etc.);

3. the 40+ witnesses who distinctly recalled that the last two shots were closer together and in rapid succession;

4. the individual witnesses like Greer, Hickey and Altgens who put the second shot after z255; and

5. Tague, who said he was struck on the second shot. That is inconsistent with the second shot SBT.  Greer said he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot and turned around immediately, which supports a strike on the windshield frame on that second shot.

There is nothing in the evidence or the zfilm that conflicts with this 1.....2...3 shot sequence.  All three shots struck occupants in the car. There was no missed shot.

According to the evidence, the first shot struck JFK and went to JBC's left side, the second shot struck JBC in the right armpit and fragmented striking the radius and fragments deflected off the radius striking the windshield and frame and at least one fragment clearing the windshield and striking the curb near Tague. The third shot struck JFK in the head at z313.

That is the only explanation that fits the evidence.  And the evidence is perfectly consistent with all shots having been fired by Oswald with the MC rifle from the 6th Floor window of the TSBD.
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Re: Autopsy proves SBT impossible
« Reply #167 on: May 11, 2018, 01:24:07 AM »
I agree that the autopsy does not disprove the SBT. What disproves the SBT the trajectory, are the following:

1. the 20+ witnesses who said that JFK reacted to the first shot (not by smiling and waving for 3 seconds but by assuming  a blank look, moving to the left, reaching for his neck/chest);

2. the 20+ witnesses who placed the first shot after z191 (eg. Betzner, Hughes, bystanders along Elm, occupants of the VP car who said that they had completed the turn - it is still turning at z191, similarly for VP security and Cabell cars, etc.);

3. the 40+ witnesses who distinctly recalled that the last two shots were closer together and in rapid succession;

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4. the individual witnesses like Greer, Hickey and Altgens who put the second shot after z255; and

5. Tague, who said he was struck on the second shot. That is inconsistent with the second shot SBT.  Greer said he sensed a "concussion" on the second shot and turned around immediately, which supports a strike on the windshield frame on that second shot.

There is nothing in the evidence or the zfilm that conflicts with this 1.....2...3 shot sequence.  All three shots struck occupants in the car. There was no missed shot.

According to the evidence, the first shot struck JFK and went to JBC's left side, the second shot struck JBC in the right armpit and fragmented striking the radius and fragments deflected off the radius striking the windshield and frame and at least one fragment clearing the windshield and striking the curb near Tague. The third shot struck JFK in the head at z313.

That is the only explanation that fits the evidence.  And the evidence is perfectly consistent with all shots having been fired by Oswald with the MC rifle from the 6th Floor window of the TSBD.

 CE 399 already had problems and you want to add that the  leftover 2.2 grains could account for what was in Connally, the damage to the interior of windshield, and the fragment that hit Tague?

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« Reply #167 on: May 11, 2018, 01:24:07 AM »