The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?

[John Anderson]

Just visit youtube to see how fast a Carcano can be fired.

[Walt Cakebread]

Just visit youtube to see how fast a Carcano can be fired.

John...I own many Mannlicher Carcanos.....  Don't believe what you see on youtube.   Any rifle can be modified and customized to enhance the performance....And film speed can be controlled...

The standard carcano is  very awkward and hard to fire rapidly.....  There are good videos on youtube of average people with no ulterior motive firing carcanos.....  Watch them and learn. 

[John Anderson]

Limp wristed amateurs may struggle yes.

[Walt Cakebread]

Limp wristed amateurs may struggle yes.

Do you believe that Lee Oswald was a professional?   

[Jack Nessan]

Attempting to dismiss the eyewitness statements to promote an oddball understanding of the shot sequence seems pointless. It would be akin to someone being unable to recount a 5 second event that just occurred. With this form of reasoning nothing anyone ever says can be taken to be true. The first shot struck JFK.   The time frame is approximately 5 seconds nothing more.  Bronson and Zapruder films thow the location of the eyewitnesses standing grouped in a line along the street. They state where the location of the first shot occurred.



 

There is no reason to guess, the location of the first shot can be located with the statements of the eyewitnesses. The Chisms said it happened right before JFK reached them, Jean Newman said it happened right after it had passed her, and Calavary, Hicks, and Westbrook stated it happened in front of them.  Mary Woodward stated the first shot did not happen until JFK turned to face forward after he had passed them, which doesn't occur until after Z204. 

John Chism :  "And just as he got just about in front of me, he turned and waved at the crowd on this side of the street, the right side; at this point I heard what sounded like one shot,"

Jean Newman : "The motorcade had just passed me when I heard that I thought was a firecracker at first, and the President had just passed me, because after he had just passed, there was a loud report"

The TSBD Secretaries

Gloria Calvery : "The car he was in was almost directly in front of where I was Standing when I heard the first shot."

 Karan Hicks : "The car he was in was almost directly in front Of whero I was standing when I heard the first explosion. I did not immediately recognize this sound as a gunshot"

Karen Westbrook :  "The car he was in was almost directly  in front of where I was standing when I heard the first explosion. I did not immediately recognize this sound as a gun shot ."

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Woodward said the earsplitting noise happened after JFK turned forward and not before.  JFK does not turn forward until Z204+

Mary Woodward
"After acknowledging our cheers, he [JFK] faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-splitting noise coming from behind us and a little to the right."

[Jack Nessan]

Just visit youtube to see how fast a Carcano can be fired.

The FBI determined the cycle time of LHO?s carcano to be 2.3 seconds. All carcano?s are not the same. They were repaired using mismatched parts for the sole reason of being functional not a finely tuned hunting rifle. The rifles were properly head spaced and the bolt repaired to eject and nothing more. People on youtube should stop embarrassing themselves. As an example, the tests supposedly performed during the HSCA investigation used a substitute rifle and determine the cycle time to be 1.6 seconds. An improperly matched bolt and receiver causes the bolt to bind up upon firing due to the expansion of the receiver and bolt from the heat. LHO?s rifle would be unique unto itself as to how well it functioned.

[John Anderson]

Oswalds Carcano functioned just fine.

[Gary Craig]

After reading some posts by CTs, like this example "Not merely a "large number.".....  The vast majority of the witnesses reported that the last two shots were nearly simultaneous......  That's impossible with a bolt action rifle...." so I did a quick collation of a number of witnesses who said the shots were roughly about evenly spaced or the spaces between were longer than virtually instantaneous. Btw some witnesses guessed that the length of time was greater between shots 2 and 3 than 1 and 2 but a lot of these witnesses didn't specify a specific length so cannot be counted by either side.


Mr. BELIN - Do you have any time estimate as to the spacing of any of these shots?
Mr. BAKER - It seemed to me like they just went bang, bang, bang; they were pretty well even to me.

BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together. BREHM stated that he was in military service and he has had experience with bolt-action rifles, and he expressed the opinion that the three shots were fired just about as quickly as an individual can maneuver a bolt-action rifle, take aim, and fire three shots.

Mr. CABELL - Well, I would put it this way. That approximately 10 seconds elapsed between the first and second shots, with not more than 5 seconds having elapsed until the third one.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate on the time that passed from the first to the last shot?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Very short. It seemed to me that there was less time between the first and the second than between the second and the third.

Mr. BELIN - And what's your best recollection now as to the amount of time between shots?
Mr. COUCH - Well, I would say the longest time would be 5 seconds, but it could be from 3 to 5.
Mr. BELIN - And would this be true between the first and the second shots as well as between the second and the third - or would there have been a difference?
Mr. COUCH - As I recall, the time sequence between the three were relatively the same.

Mr. BELIN - The shots seemed to be how far apart?
Mr. FISCHER - That's hard to say. I've been thinking about that. And--uh--I'd guess--3 to 4 seconds.
Mr. BELIN - Was that between the first and the second or between the second and the third?
Mr. FISCHER - Between both. As far as I can remember, the shots were evenly paced.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did the shots seem evenly spaced or were some of them closer together?
Mr. HUDSON - They seemed pretty well evenly spaced.

Mr. BELIN. How close did the shots sound like they came together?
Mr. ROMACK. Oh, they happened pretty fast. I would say maybe 3 or 4 seconds apart.
Mr. BELIN. Were they equally spaced, or did one sound like it was closer than another one in time?
Mr. ROMACK. It sounded like to me that they were evenly spaced. They rang out pretty fast.

Mr. SPECTER - Do you recall whether or not the statement is accurate in that you told the police officials at that time that there was a time span of 8 seconds between the first and second shots and a time span of 3 seconds between the second and third shots?
Mr. ROWLAND - I think I did tell them that, yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. I see. Did you tell them that you heard the bolt action of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And that you heard the expended cartridges fall to the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I heard them making a sound.
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JERRY HAYNES from WFAATV who was there with JAY. @17:37
....we heard one shot then a second or two later we heard another shot and then another second or two later the third shot.

JAY WATSON from WFAATV who ran straight back to the studio gave this account @27:28
I can best explain it in my own words, we were a hundred yards....yada yada yada
Jerry Haynes and I were standing there and we heard one shot and immediately thereafter heard another shot and then a third little bit later.

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JohnM