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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2018, 07:05:56 PM »
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The evidence is conflicting all round as we all know. What we must do at some point is decide which is reliable. Is the Z film accurate? If so who's testimonies can be corroborated by the film and testimony of others.

You're starting  to understand, John.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2018, 07:14:04 PM »
You're starting  to understand, John.

There are some honest researchers who have done magnificent jobs of exposing some aspect of the case...but instead of accepting the hard work of those individuals many CT's refuse to open their eyes and accept the information provided because it clashes with some pet theory.  Far too many CT's would rather play "who done it" than face the facts....

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« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2018, 07:21:17 PM »
You're starting  to understand, John.

I've always understood.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2018, 07:26:32 PM »
I've always understood.

You're a genius, and an exceptional individual......

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« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2018, 07:31:35 PM »
Thanks.

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?
« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2018, 07:33:40 PM »


The evidence is conflicting all round as we all know. What we must do at some point is decide which is reliable. Is the Z film accurate?



The Zapruder film is accurate. It would be wildly difficult to fake it and all the other films.

Can you imagine the follow conversation of the conspirators:



Mr. Evil:  We need to place the shooters behind the limousine, to best simulate a shot from the patsy.

Mr. Minion: No, we need triangulation of fire. Instead, we could have a shooter on the Grassy Knoll. And them simply modify the Zapruder film to move the two ladies off of the street while keeping in the President falling backwards.

Mr. Evil: What about the other films.

Mr. Minion: We can simply modify those as well.

Mr. Evil: But we would have to be careful that the films don?t conflict with each other.

Mr. Minion: Yes, we will just have to be careful.

Mr. Evil: How much time to we have to do all this?

Mr. Minion: Well, have to modify them before anyone can show this to the public. Plus, we want to publish at least a few frames within a couple of weeks. So, we need to get it all done within a few days.

Mr. Evil: But what about the films we don?t know about?

Mr. Minion: Well, we need to keep a close eye on the crowd and hope we don?t miss anyone.

Mr. Evil: What about an amateur photographer who develops his own picture?

Mr. Minion: Well, we just have to hope there won?t be anyone like that.

Mr. Evil: It sounds like we should just place all the shooters firing from behind.

Mr. Minion: Oh no, we need triangulation of fire

Mr. Evil: Is this usually done when the target is a single man and not a battalion?

Mr. Minion: No.

Mr. Evil: Well then, why do we need it?

Mr. Minion: Because the target might duck down. If this happens we need a shooter firing from a different direction. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Well, if he ducks, he wouldn?t be visible from the grassy knoll either, would he.

Mr. Minion: I guess not. But I don?t care. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Very well. Make it so.






If so who's testimonies can be corroborated by the film and testimony of others.


I think Governor Connally?s testimony is the most reliable. Because we can see what he is doing. He says he heard a first shot and turned to his right. We can see this starting in the z160?s.

In contrast, most/all of the witnesses not riding in vehicles don?t seem aware of any shots are being fired until the head shot at z312. They are clapping their hands and not reacting right up until that time.

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« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2018, 07:38:41 PM »

The Zapruder film is accurate. It would be wildly difficult to fake it and all the other films.

Can you imagine the follow conversation of the conspirators:



Mr. Evil:  We need to place the shooters behind the limousine, to best simulate a shot from the patsy.

Mr. Minion: No, we need triangulation of fire. Instead, we could have a shooter on the Grassy Knoll. And them simply modify the Zapruder film to move the two ladies off of the street while keeping in the President falling backwards.

Mr. Evil: What about the other films.

Mr. Minion: We can simply modify those as well.

Mr. Evil: But we would have to be careful that the films don?t conflict with each other.

Mr. Minion: Yes, we will just have to be careful.

Mr. Evil: How much time to we have to do all this?

Mr. Minion: Well, have to modify them before anyone can show this to the public. Plus, we want to publish at least a few frames within a couple of weeks. So, we need to get it all done within a few days.

Mr. Evil: But what about the films we don?t know about?

Mr. Minion: Well, we need to keep a close eye on the crowd and hope we don?t miss anyone.

Mr. Evil: What about an amateur photographer who develops his own picture?

Mr. Minion: Well, we just have to hope there won?t be anyone like that.

Mr. Evil: It sounds like we should just place all the shooters firing from behind.

Mr. Minion: Oh no, we need triangulation of fire

Mr. Evil: Is this usually done when the target is a single man and not a battalion?

Mr. Minion: No.

Mr. Evil: Well then, why do we need it?

Mr. Minion: Because the target might duck down. If this happens we need a shooter firing from a different direction. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Well, if he ducks, he wouldn?t be visible from the grassy knoll either, would he.

Mr. Minion: I guess not. But I don?t care. We need triangulation of fire.

Mr. Evil: Very well. Make it so.





I think Governor Connally?s testimony is the most reliable. Because we can see what he is doing. He says he heard a first shot and turned to his right. We can see this starting in the z160?s.

In contrast, most/all of the witnesses not riding in vehicles don?t seem aware of any shots are being fired until the head shot at z312. They are clapping their hands and not reacting right up until that time.

I was a rhetorical question. I believe it to be accurate myself. Add Jackie Kennedy s testimony to Connelly. They fit and she is also clearly seen turning in the film.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: The shot sequence, bang......bang......bang?
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2018, 02:31:30 AM »


I was a rhetorical question. I believe it to be accurate myself. Add Jackie Kennedy s testimony to Connelly. They fit and she is also clearly seen turning in the film.



Yes. But many others believe it is a fake. Never mind the difficulty of making a fake. And faking all the other films and photographs to make them look consistent. And risking not finding or knowing about a single photograph of film that would show something different than the Zapruder film. All of which could be avoided by having all the shooters fire from behind, rather than having a shooter from the front and side, which gives a difficult, high angular velocity shot, unlike a target receding almost directly away from the shooter.

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