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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #296 on: February 13, 2024, 05:16:39 PM »
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The upper zone (which I'm suggesting is a bullet impact) isn't a reflection like the one lower down. It doesn't have the same intensity at all. It's in front of Kennedy's shoulder (as you can see in the extreme zoom) and it merges with the woman's bag at the rear.



It doesn't have the same intensity at all.

Yes, if it is simply the woman’s bag then it wouldn’t be a direct reflection off of the windshield and therefore would not have the same intensity as a direct reflection.


 However, I believe that it could be intense enough that it could still cause a starburst effect through the aperture of the camera. I don’t know what the woman has, but I seem to remember women’s white patent leather bags being popular back in that era. If it is white patent leather, then I think that the reflectiveness of the shiny white patent leather could reflect the sun similarly (to the reflection we think we see lower down on the windshield). And the curvature of the windshield (that that light would pass through to reach the camera from the bag) might cause the shape of the starburst that is associated to the bag to be different than the shape of the starburst of the sun’s reflection (directly from the surface of the windshield).


It's in front of Kennedy's shoulder (as you can see in the extreme zoom) and it merges with the woman's bag at the rear.

If it is a starburst effect caused by the aperture of the camera, then it might appear to you to be in front of JFK’s shoulder. After all the camera aperture is between the film and JFK’s shoulder.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #297 on: February 13, 2024, 05:18:10 PM »
The "starburst" which is just over JFK's left shoulder in Altgens' #6 is some part of what the woman red-circled here is holding or some part of her clothing:



This is what she looks like in Croft's photo:




Thanks, I tend to agree with this interpretation.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #298 on: February 13, 2024, 05:23:32 PM »

If it is a starburst effect caused by the aperture of the camera, then it might appear to you to be in front of JFK’s shoulder. After all the camera aperture is between the film and JFK’s shoulder.

...and yet it is in the same position as the bullet impact that we see in the following Altgens photo, taken as the limo moves away. It has the same shape too! What are the odds of such a coincidence?!

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #299 on: February 13, 2024, 05:48:26 PM »
...and yet it is in the same position as the bullet impact that we see in the following Altgens photo, taken as the limo moves away. It has the same shape too! What are the odds of such a coincidence?!


Similar is not the same as same. There are a lot of intriguing coincidences in the investigation. Something looked at as closely and as long as this case has been is bound to have some coincidences.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #300 on: February 13, 2024, 09:01:06 PM »
...and yet it is in the same position as the bullet impact that we see in the following Altgens photo, taken as the limo moves away. It has the same shape too! What are the odds of such a coincidence?!
First of all, the Altgens 7 mark does not really have the same shape as the Altgens 6 "mark".  Also, coincidence can be argued both ways:you must conclude that it is just a coincidence that the "starburst" appears to be bounded on the left in Altgens 6 by the mirror and below by JFK's shoulder and just happens to be in the area where the lady holding a whole bunch of things is standing.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #301 on: February 13, 2024, 10:40:34 PM »

Similar is not the same as same. There are a lot of intriguing coincidences in the investigation. Something looked at as closely and as long as this case has been is bound to have some coincidences.

This is just too close to be just a coincidence of form... in exactly the same place.


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« Reply #302 on: February 14, 2024, 01:06:41 AM »
This is just too close to be just a coincidence of form... in exactly the same place.




The lady’s purse is in exactly the same place.  It can also be seen in Croft’s photo.  What a “coincidence”….  :-\

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #303 on: February 14, 2024, 06:58:29 AM »
The lady’s purse is in exactly the same place.  It can also be seen in Croft’s photo.  What a “coincidence”….  :-\

And yet that light zone is in front of JFK's shoulder:




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