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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2018, 03:27:44 AM »
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Check this 1961 Lincoln Continental bullet hole.

Same should be visible on JFK limo but it is not, right?

Since it would have supported a shot from the front, why do you expect to see a photo of it?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #168 on: September 06, 2018, 03:27:44 AM »


Offline John Mytton

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #169 on: September 06, 2018, 03:58:07 AM »
Since it would have supported a shot from the front, why do you expect to see a photo of it?

Why do you automatically assume that a hole in the windscreen indicates a shot only from the front?
Kennedy's Limo was completely open and a shot from behind can also penetrate the glass.



Btw why hasn't some conspiracy brainiac plotted the trajectory, you have two known positions the "spiral nebula" and the neck wound, so tell me again why hasn't this simple analysis been done?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #170 on: September 06, 2018, 04:17:26 AM »
True. Photographer needed white background so placed sheets of white paper or similar behind the glass or it is the part of original wraping. If there was no white paper behind, background would be wood making the cracks invisible. Apart from narrow impact area crack all other occured when the windshield was removed from the body frame.

          If they want to make the cracks "visible", why not Remove the windshield from the crate and then apply whatever background necessary? Leaving that windshield Inside the crate does Nothing to enhance viewing it or the cracks upon it.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #171 on: September 06, 2018, 06:52:33 AM »
          If they want to make the cracks "visible", why not Remove the windshield from the crate and then apply whatever background necessary? Leaving that windshield Inside the crate does Nothing to enhance viewing it or the cracks upon it.
There was no need to pull it outside. It is quite visible in the crate. Pulling it outside would damage it much more.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #172 on: September 06, 2018, 07:00:34 AM »
Back to the window in question....

Medical observer at Parkland.....

But, again, where is the hole? Paolella states "apeard to be a hole". The story about two windshields is interesting but why would they do it? Why would somebody remove through and through hole and place second windshield without a hole and when this was done?

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #173 on: September 06, 2018, 07:09:07 AM »
Why do you automatically assume that a hole in the windscreen indicates a shot only from the front?
Kennedy's Limo was completely open and a shot from behind can also penetrate the glass.



Btw why hasn't some conspiracy brainiac plotted the trajectory, you have two known positions the "spiral nebula" and the neck wound, so tell me again why hasn't this simple analysis been done?

JohnM

A poster at Internstional Sceptics said that to effect that trajectory, the shooter would have to be standing right in front of the limo... and added that these kooks would be mental enough to do that.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #174 on: September 06, 2018, 07:40:40 AM »
Since it would have supported a shot from the front, why do you expect to see a photo of it?

Could you explain what you mean there please?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2018, 01:41:42 PM »
That's what George Whitaker, Sr. said.

SIX witnesses said there was a hole.

Not sure Whitaker stated there were two windshields.

"(4) Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Company?s Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, November 25th, he discovered the JFK limousine ? a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified ? in the Rouge Plant?s B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine. They had been told to use it as a template, and to make a new windshield identical to it in shape ? and to then get the new windshield back to the B building for installation in the Presidential limousine that was quickly being rebuilt. Whitaker told Weldon (quoting from the audiotape of the 1993 interview): ?And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through?it was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it?this had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back.? Whitaker told Weldon that he eventually became superintendent of his division and was placed in charge of five plant divisions. He also told Weldon that the original windshield, with the bullet hole in it, had been broken up and scrapped ? as ordered ? after the new windshield had been made.

When Doug Weldon interviewed Whitaker in August of 1993, his witness insisted on anonymity. Weldon reported on the story without releasing Whitaker?s name in his excellent and comprehensive article titled: ?The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963,? which was published in Jim Fetzer?s anthology Murder in Dealey Plaza, in 2000. After Weldon interviewed Whitaker in August of 1993, Mr. Whitaker subsequently ? on November 22, 1993 (the 30th anniversary of President Kennedy?s assassination) ? wrote down all he could remember about the events he witnessed involving the Presidential limousine and its windshield. After George Whitaker?s death in 2001, his family released his written testament to Nigel Turner, who with their permission revealed Mr. Whitaker?s name, as well as the text of his ?memo for history,? in episode 7 of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, ?The Smoking Guns.?

In ?The Smoking Guns,? the text of Whitaker?s memo can be read on the screen employing freeze frame technology with the DVD of the episode. It said, in part: ?When arrived at the lab the door was locked. I was let in. There were 2 glass engineers there. They had a car windshield that had a bullet hole in it. The hole was about 4 or 6 inches to the right of the rear view mirror [as viewed from the front]. The impact had come from the front of the windshield. (If you have spent 40 years in the glass [illegible] you know which way the impack [sic] was from.?

He saw the limo with the windshield removed but he did not stated seeing one in Rouge Plant?s B building. First time he saw windshield was at the Glass Lab. What is interesting here is that he was requested to make new windshield using JFK limo windshield template. Were the windshields produced in this Ford company and is the new windshield different, bullet proof maybe? Why would he use old windshield as a template while there were templates and tools for ongoing production?

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #175 on: September 06, 2018, 01:41:42 PM »