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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2016 on: May 08, 2021, 08:37:01 PM »
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Nope. The officer doing the radio broadcasts occasionally has to call out the time. He looks at the clock and calls the time. So a call for 1:15 could either be 1 second after 1:15 or 59 seconds after 1:15. This all throws the timing off. Plus it was never checked if the clock the officer was reading from was correct.


Hi Gerry,
Your argument only makes sense if the broadcasts are noted by the second, which they are not. The point you are making is true for every minute.
However, your point about the dispatchers clock is important. We can know with some certainty that it is accurate as it is independently confirmed by witnesses in Dealey Plaza:

Mr. GREER. After he had said to me, "Get out of here fast." He got the radio and called to the lead car, "Get us to a hospital fast, nearest hospital fast."
Mr. SPECTER. Do you recall whether he said anything else at that time?
Mr. GREER. After he had said to me, he said, "12:30," and that is all I remember him saying to me was 12:30, and he had communications with the cars but I don't remember what he had said to them.
Mr. SPECTER. Did he say just "12:30," or was it 12:30 used in a sentence?
Mr. GREER. He said "12:30." He looked at his watch, he said "12:30," and we were in the underpass at the time.


David Powers affidavit:

At that time we were traveling very slowly, no more than 12 miles an hour. In accordance with my custom, I was very much concerned about our timing and at just about that point I looked at my watch and noted that it was almost exactly 12:30 p.m.

I'm sure there are others but you get my drift.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2017 on: May 08, 2021, 08:48:24 PM »

Hi Gerry,
Your argument only makes sense if the broadcasts are noted by the second, which they are not. The point you are making is true for every minute.
However, your point about the dispatchers clock is important. We can know with some certainty that it is accurate as it is independently confirmed by witnesses in Dealey Plaza:

Mr. GREER. After he had said to me, "Get out of here fast." He got the radio and called to the lead car, "Get us to a hospital fast, nearest hospital fast."
Mr. SPECTER. Do you recall whether he said anything else at that time?
Mr. GREER. After he had said to me, he said, "12:30," and that is all I remember him saying to me was 12:30, and he had communications with the cars but I don't remember what he had said to them.
Mr. SPECTER. Did he say just "12:30," or was it 12:30 used in a sentence?
Mr. GREER. He said "12:30." He looked at his watch, he said "12:30," and we were in the underpass at the time.


David Powers affidavit:

At that time we were traveling very slowly, no more than 12 miles an hour. In accordance with my custom, I was very much concerned about our timing and at just about that point I looked at my watch and noted that it was almost exactly 12:30 p.m.

I'm sure there are others but you get my drift.


However, your point about the dispatchers clock is important. We can know with some certainty that it is accurate

That's not what the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers said in his statement to the HSCA.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." - J.C. Bowles

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2018 on: May 08, 2021, 08:52:29 PM »
Are you sure you're not a LN?

You and your assumptions have gone completely over the deep end. There is no point for me to confront you with facts. You clearly prefer to make up your own story.

This is incorrect. Frazier is clear that Oswald was wearing a light grey jacket to work that morning. We must assume it is the same grey jacket he was wearing when Frazier dropped him off.

Can you please show is where in his testimony is Frazier "clear that Oswald was wearing a light grey jacket to work that morning". You're the first LN who (to my knowledge) has ever claimed that and I can't find it in his testimony.

So, if you please would be so kind. Thanks in advance.

Unbelievably you argue this could not have been the case if Oswald left the TSBD without a jacket!! The point is surely that Oswald left the TSBD with a jacket on as the bus driver who gave out the transfer ticket that was discovered in Oswald's possession described the man as wearing a jacket. As did the taxi driver who took Oswald home.
Why do you believe Oswald left the TSBD without a jacket? What do you base that on?


Aren't you forgetting Bledsoe? You know the lady who said she saw Oswald on the bus and remembered it because he had a hole in a sleeve of his shirt (you know, the same hole the fibers are supposed to have come from that allegedly were found on the rifle). How can Bledsoe see a hole in Oswald's shirt sleeve when he was wearing a jacket?

Hidden deep inside Frazier's WC testimony where it's almost impossible to find:

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have because most time I noticed when Lee had it, I say he put off his shirt and just wear a T-shirt the biggest part of the time so really what shirt he wore that day I really didn't see it or didn't pay enough attention to it whether he did have a shirt on.
Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
Mr. BALL - Did it have a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was one of the zipper types.
Mr. BALL - It isn't one of these two zipper jackets we have shown?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
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Mr. BALL - I have here a paper sack which is Commission's Exhibit 364. That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
Mr. BALL - You mentioned it was woolen.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Are you sure you're a JFK researcher because these are the basics.
Your notion Oswald went to work with the grey/blue jacket on is wrong.
Your idea that Oswald left the grey jacket in Irving is wrong.
Your whole idea that Oswald left the TSBD without his jacket is wrong.
You've completely misunderstood some very basic stuff.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2019 on: May 08, 2021, 08:55:06 PM »

However, your point about the dispatchers clock is important. We can know with some certainty that it is accurate

That's not what the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers said in his statement to the HSCA.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." - J.C. Bowles

So the examples of people recording the assassination at 12:30 PM isn't a way of connecting "police time" with "real time".

Maybe you're right.
But maybe you're totally wrong.

Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #2020 on: May 08, 2021, 09:03:20 PM »
Didn't you have a litmus test to find out exactly how determined one is at finding the truth?

I do.

But...

I now prefer to just sit back and watch Dan O'meara dismantle you piece by piece.

Dan is not a LNer but, like probably everyone else, is growing tired of your troll-like behavior.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2021 on: May 08, 2021, 09:13:04 PM »
So the examples of people recording the assassination at 12:30 PM isn't a way of connecting "police time" with "real time".

Maybe you're right.
But maybe you're totally wrong.

Take it up with the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers and convince him that he was wrong because you, a typical LN, knows better
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2022 on: May 08, 2021, 09:13:44 PM »
I do.

But...

I now prefer to just sit back and watch Dan O'meara dismantle you piece by piece.

Dan is not a LNer but, like probably everyone else, is growing tired of your troll-like behavior.

Run Bill.. run as fast as you can.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2023 on: May 08, 2021, 09:18:25 PM »
Speaking of running....


The shooting takes place at 1:14.  Benavides begins keying the mic around 1:15-1:16.  Bowley finally grabs the mic from Benavides at 1:17.

Even this argument contradicts your own claims about Callaway. You've stated that it took Callaway less than 3 minutes after the shots to reach the scene. If the shooting took place at 1:14 you would have Callaway arriving at 1:17 which is when you claim Bowley made his (46 seconds long) call to the dispatcher. Callaway himself said that he wasn't sure if the dispatcher had been called, which can only mean that he did not see Bowley work the radio. In other words, if it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to get there (which I believe it did, because Croy's testimony confirms it), the following events must have already occured prior to 1:17;

First, where did I state that it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to reach the scene?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2023 on: May 08, 2021, 09:18:25 PM »