Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Ray Mitcham]

Jack tatum confirms it was Oswald who fired the shots

Where can I find his testimony?

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This is the Tatum testimony to the HSCA, Martin.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/tatum.htm

[Martin Weidmann]

Right.  I said three minutes.  But that's not what you erroneously claimed that I said.

Since when does saying that Callaway reached the scene three minutes after the shots mean that Callaway was at the police radio in LESS THAN three minutes?

You really don't understand the difference?

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Right.  I said three minutes.

Indeed, so when you disagreed with my statement you were wrong. No biggie, why not simply admit it?


But that's not what you erroneously claimed that I said.

Since when does saying that Callaway reached the scene three minutes after the shots mean that Callaway was at the police radio in LESS THAN three minutes?

Changing the goal posts? Really?

I claimed you had said that Callaway reached the scene less than three minutes after shots.
You disagreed and wanted me to show you where you said it. Which is exactly what I did.

Now you show where I "erroneously" claimed that Callaway was at the police radio in less than three minutes?


You really don't understand the difference?

What difference? The difference between what I actually said and what you falsely claim I have said. Sure I understand that difference.


Here it is;

Ted Callaway is at the patrol car reporting the shooting at 1:19 and his description of his actions tells us that he's at that patrol car probably three minutes after the shots rang out.

to which I replied;

If Callaway is at the patrol car three minutes after the shots, he must have arrived at the scene in less than 3 minutes as he did not go straight away to the patrol car but checked on Tippit first. In December 2020 you actually agree with this.

Although you will likely not admit it - after all the great Bill Brown can't be wrong (that's sarcasm, btw) - you are wrong again.


One more thing. If you have Callaway at the patrol car reporting the shooting within 3 minutes after the shots, at 1:19 you have the shooting taking place at 1:16 PM.

But the DPD radio tapes has Bowley making his 46 seconds call at 1:17 PM
And before that you have Benavides waiting 40 seconds in his car until the killer had gone and needing one minute to try and operate the radio.

It doesn't add up. Can you explain the descrepancy?

[Martin Weidmann]

I've already explained this.  Go back and look.

No, no need to go back. You gave me an explanation about how you reached a conclusion.

That's not the same as the claim you made in the interview, that "McWatters testified that Oswald got on the bus"

McWatters never testified to any such thing and did not even get to the point where he was willing to positively identify Oswald.

So when you falsely claim that "McWatters testified that Oswald got on the bus" you are misrepresenting the facts and are in fact creating the impression by people listening that McWatters actually did identfiy Oswald which he never did.

Now, why not simply admit you were wrong when you made your claim that "McWatters testified that Oswald got on the bus"?

[Martin Weidmann]

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This is the Tatum testimony to the HSCA, Martin.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/tatum.htm

Thanks, Ray... I had forgotten that HSCA interview report.

I was actually asking for his testimony under oath.

[Bill Brown]

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Right.  I said three minutes.

Indeed, so when you disagreed with my statement you were wrong. No biggie, why not simply admit it?


But that's not what you erroneously claimed that I said.

Since when does saying that Callaway reached the scene three minutes after the shots mean that Callaway was at the police radio in LESS THAN three minutes?

Changing the goal posts? Really?

I claimed you had said that Callaway reached the scene less than three minutes after shots.
You disagreed and wanted me to show you where you said it. Which is exactly what I did.

Now you show where I "erroneously" claimed that Callaway was at the police radio in less than three minutes?


You really don't understand the difference?

What difference? The difference between what I actually said and what you falsely claim I have said. Sure I understand that difference.


Here it is;

to which I relipied;

Although you will likely not admit it - after all the great Bill Brown can't be wrong (that's sarcasm, btw) - you are wrong again.


One more thing. If you have Callaway at the patrol car reporting the shooting within 3 minutes after the shots, at 1:19 you have the shooting taking place at 1:16 PM.

But the DPD radio tapes has Bowley making his 46 seconds call at 1:17 PM
And before that you have Benavides waiting 40 seconds in his car until the killer had gone and needing one minute to try and operate the radio.

It doesn't add up. Can you explain the descrepancy?

Right.  I said three minutes.

Indeed, so when you disagreed with my statement you were wrong. No biggie, why not simply admit it?

No.  YOU said that I said that Callaway reached the scene in less than three minutes.

Now you show where I "erroneously" claimed that Callaway was at the police radio in less than three minutes?

I did not say that you claimed such a thing.

It doesn't add up. Can you explain the descrepancy?

There is no discrepancy in what I said.

[Martin Weidmann]

No.  YOU said that I said that Callaway reached the scene in less than three minutes.

Where exactly did I say that? Show me...

As far as I know, all I did was put two of your statements together;

Ted Callaway is at the patrol car reporting the shooting at 1:19 and his description of his actions tells us that he's at that patrol car probably three minutes after the shots rang out.

Callaway was at the scene sooner than five minutes after the shots; he just did not get on the police radio to report it immediately upon arriving at the scene.

At the patrol car at probably 3 minutes after the shots + he just did not get on the police radio to report it immediately upon arriving at the scene = he arrived at the scene less than 3 minutes after the shots (it's the only logical conclusion!)

No.  YOU said that I said that Callaway reached the scene in less than three minutes.

I did not say that you claimed such a thing.

So why ask me an irrelevant question like this ;

But that's not what you erroneously claimed that I said.

Since when does saying that Callaway reached the scene three minutes after the shots mean that Callaway was at the police radio in LESS THAN three minutes?

You really don't understand the difference?

Why ask me if I don't understand the difference, when I never said it in the first place?

There is no discrepancy in what I said.

Of course there is, but I never expected you to honestly admit it.

If you have Callaway making his radio call at 1:19, which by your own words is three minutes after the shots were fired, it means that Tippit was shot at 1:16.

But if Tippit was shot at 1:16, and you have Benavides waiting in his car for 40 seconds for the killer to leave and than one minute trying to get the radio to work, and to have Bowles making a 46 seconds radio call at 1:17, it simply doesn't add up. Even a teenager can do this math. It's easy!

To deny there is a descrepancy is just plain dishonest.

[Bill Brown]

Where exactly did I say that? Show me...

As far as I know, all I did was put two of your statements together;

At the patrol car at probably 3 minutes after the shots + he just did not get on the police radio to report it immediately upon arriving at the scene = he arrived at the scene less than 3 minutes after the shots (it's the only logical conclusion!)

So why ask me an irrelevant question like this ;

Why ask me if I don't understand the difference, when I never said it in the first place?

Of course there is, but I never expected you to honestly admit it.

If you have Callaway making his radio call at 1:19, which by your own words is three minutes after the shots were fired, it means that Tippit was shot at 1:16.

But if Tippit was shot at 1:16, and you have Benavides waiting in his car for 40 seconds for the killer to leave and than one minute trying to get the radio to work, and to have Bowles making a 46 seconds radio call at 1:17, it simply doesn't add up. Even a teenager can do this math. It's easy!

To deny there is a descrepancy is just plain dishonest.

As I said, there is no discrepancy in what I've stated.  All anyone has to do is go back through my comments and have a look.

What are you going on about?

[Martin Weidmann]

As I said, there is no discrepancy in what I've stated.  All anyone has to do is go back through my comments and have a look.

What are you going on about?

What part of this don't you understand?

OK, pay attention!

Now that we have established, that according to you, Callaway was at the patrol car reporting the shooting (let's say about) 3 minutes after the shots, at 1:19, then you have the shooting taking place at 1:16 PM. Or does your clock work differently?

The DPD radio tapes have Bowley making his 46 seconds call at 1:17 PM, which (in this scenario) means about one minute after the shots, right?

But before that, and these are all things you claimed yourself, you have Benavides waiting roughly 40 seconds in his car until the killer had disappeared on Patton and needing one minute to try and operate the radio. And - you did not say this - but let's not forget he first got out of his car and went to see if he could help Tippit, which by a very conservative estimate would have taken 20 seconds (is that fair?).

So, the DPD recordings have Bowley making his call at 1:17 (taking 46 seconds) with a 15 seconds pause preceding it.
And they have Callaway's call between the verbal time stamps of 1:19 and 1:21, but with clearly more traffic after his short call than before it.

The DPD recordings also reveal that the ambulance was already on it's way prior to Callaway's call, and Officer Croy testified that when he arrived at the scene (from Zang/Colorado - where he heard Bowley's call - which is no more than a 2 minute drive) the ambulance was already there and two civilians (Callaway and Bowley) were helping putting Tippit in the ambulance. The distance from the Funeral Home to 10th street is a little more than one block, and would have taken the ambulance no more than 30 to 40 seconds, with sirens on. Based on this information it is reasonable to conclude that when Croy arrived (two minutes after Bowley's call) Callaway had already made his call!

Combined this information links the events after Bowley's 1:17 radio conclusively together as they must have happened within a roughly two minutes long sequence of events.

Are you still following this?

But, as I have already shown to you, Benavides needed at around two minutes to do the things you said he did, before Bowley took over the radio. In other words, if you do the math, your scenario has Callaway making his call three minutes after the shots, which means at 1:16, but Benavides shows that the shots must have been fired at least a minute earlier, at 1:15, because otherwise he could not have done what you claimed he did.

So, there is a discrepancy of a minute in the two scenarios. Either the verbal time stamps of the DPD radio calls do not correspond with the actual sequence of events or Callaway did not arrive and get on the radio three minutes after the shots but four.

Having said all this, you also might want to consider this little beauty from what J.C. Bowles told the HSCA;

Next, consideration should be given to the methods of individual radio operators. A given operator at a given time might broadcast "time" a little early in one event then a little late the next. Accordingly, a call initiated at, say, 10:10 might be stamped at 10:13 by the dispatcher, only to have intervening radio traffic delay his broadcast. He might go ahead and announce the dispatch time as 10:13 and the digital clock then showed 10:14. Time intervals of less than one minute were never used. Likewise, the time stated in periodic station identification time checks was not always exact. During quiet intervals, station time checks were usually on time. However, radio operators did not interrupt radio traffic in progress just to give a station check. Accordingly, an operator might give, say, the 10:30 check as 10:30 when it was actually 10:29 or perhaps 10:31 or later.

Which one is it? Which is the one you were wrong about? Either Callaway being at the patrol car to make his call at 1:19 or the time stamps on the DPD recordings being wrong.

Both can't be right. Your choice