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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2080 on: May 11, 2021, 05:48:47 AM »
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Not by a long shot. But even if he did, it doesn't make him a lone nut. He was a patsy who knew the jig was up. Not a LN.

Not by a long shot
Not unless one wants to claim a shot across the hood of a car long.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2081 on: May 11, 2021, 07:02:52 AM »
Tippit shooting occurs at 1:14/1:15.

Mary Wright calls the police at 1:15/1:16.

Barbara Davis calls the police shortly after Mary Wright.

L.J. Lewis (from the Johnny Reynolds Motor Co.) calls the police at 1:16/1:17.

Domingo Benavides begins to key the mic of the patrol car radio at 1:16.  This keying of the mic would go on for about a minute and a half.

T.F. Bowley arrives at the scene, goes to Tippit's body and, realizing there is nothing he can do for the officer, takes the mic from Benavides and reports the shooting at 1:17.  This is the first time dispatcher Murray Jackson hears of the shooting.

Ted Callaway gets to the scene around 1:17/1:18.

About 1:18, Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith, heading south on Patton in search of the killer and intending to go all the way down to Jefferson, see the man in the alley (as they made their way halfway down Patton to Jefferson) about one block west of Patton, "almost down to the next street" (Jimmy Burt), which puts the killer in the alley directly behind the parking lot behind the Texaco where a light-colored jacket was found underneath a car.

At 1:18, an ambulance (driven by J.C. Butler with Eddie Kinsley) is dispatched from the Dudley-Hughes Funeral Home by the Dallas Police Department after receiving the call from Mary Wright.

The funeral home is two blocks from the scene and the ambulance arrives at the scene within thirty seconds.

Officer Kenneth Croy (reserve) arrives at the scene at 1:19 and observes Tippit's body being loaded into the ambulance.

At 1:19, the ambulance speeds off to Methodist Hospital with Tippit's body.

Callaway gets on the patrol car radio to report the shooting at 1:19 (ambulance sirens can be heard in the background).
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2082 on: May 11, 2021, 08:52:53 AM »
T. F. Bowley actually checked his watch on arrival; it said 1:10 pm.

At least 5 minutes slow -- LOL

No wonder the commission did not call this witness.

Bowley didn't see anything.  Why would they call him?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2083 on: May 11, 2021, 09:03:22 AM »
But, there was no 1:15 bus.  There was a 1:12 and 1:22 bus.

However, 1:15 is the perfect time to get to the bus stop if one were regularly catching the 1:22 bus.  I believe Markham, who said she was rushing to leave her apartment, was a little behind normal time for her that day and was on pace to get to the bus stop (Patton and Jefferson) around 1:17, 1:18 (still in time to catch the 1:22 bus but later than she normally arrived at the bus stop: 1:15).

What you believe is of very little importance. Even less so as it does not match what Markham herself said. Nor does it match the time line that can be derived from the statements of various witnesses.


Tippit shooting occurs at 1:14/1:15.

Mary Wright calls the police at 1:15/1:16.

Barbara Davis calls the police shortly after Mary Wright.

L.J. Lewis (from the Johnny Reynolds Motor Co.) calls the police at 1:16/1:17.

Domingo Benavides begins to key the mic of the patrol car radio at 1:16.  This keying of the mic would go on for about a minute and a half.

T.F. Bowley arrives at the scene, goes to Tippit's body and, realizing there is nothing he can do for the officer, takes the mic from Benavides and reports the shooting at 1:17.  This is the first time dispatcher Murray Jackson hears of the shooting.

Ted Callaway gets to the scene around 1:17/1:18.

About 1:18, Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith, heading south on Patton in search of the killer and intending to go all the way down to Jefferson, see the man in the alley (as they made their way halfway down Patton to Jefferson) about one block west of Patton, "almost down to the next street" (Jimmy Burt), which puts the killer in the alley directly behind the parking lot behind the Texaco where a light-colored jacket was found underneath a car.

At 1:18, an ambulance (driven by J.C. Butler with Eddie Kinsley) is dispatched from the Dudley-Hughes Funeral Home by the Dallas Police Department after receiving the call from Mary Wright.

The funeral home is two blocks from the scene and the ambulance arrives at the scene within thirty seconds.

Officer Kenneth Croy (reserve) arrives at the scene at 1:19 and observes Tippit's body being loaded into the ambulance.

At 1:19, the ambulance speeds off to Methodist Hospital with Tippit's body.

Callaway gets on the patrol car radio to report the shooting at 1:19 (ambulance sirens can be heard in the background).


Classic Brown. Completely ignoring the discrepancies in his previous statements (and pretending he doesn't know what I was talking about) and then cowardly adapting his time line to a new version, which still does not match all the known facts and still, mistakenly, assumes that the time stamp calls by the dispatchers were accurate.

It's pretty obvious for anybody reading this thread to see who is the one desperately trying to keep his narrative alive.

I believe Markham, who said she was rushing to leave her apartment, was a little behind normal time for her that day

Markham never said anything of the kind. She testified that she left home on 9th street "a little after one", which could be as late as 1:06 or 1:07. According to the FBI it would have taken her about 2,5 minutes to walk one block to get to 10th street. This gets her there at around 1:08 or 1:09, perfectly on time to catch her regular bus at 1:12 or 1:22.

T.F. Bowley arrives at the scene, goes to Tippit's body and, realizing there is nothing he can do for the officer, takes the mic from Benavides and reports the shooting at 1:17.  This is the first time dispatcher Murray Jackson hears of the shooting.

Bowley said in his affidavit that when he arrived at the scene he looked at his watch and it said 1:10 PM. By having him arrive at about 1:17, you are basically claiming that his watch was wrong by 7 minutes. This is just plain silly considering the fact that he was en route to pick up his wife from work and had just picked up his daughter from school. School bells tend to ring on time, yet somehow Bowley didn't notice that his watch was off by 7 minutes? Really?

Officer Kenneth Croy (reserve) arrives at the scene at 1:19 and observes Tippit's body being loaded into the ambulance.

At 1:19, the ambulance speeds off to Methodist Hospital with Tippit's body.

Callaway gets on the patrol car radio to report the shooting at 1:19 (ambulance sirens can be heard in the background).


But previously you had Callaway arriving at the scene 3 minutes after hearing the shots. Now you've changed that to 4 maybe even 5 minutes. Really? The man had to run one block (and he said he ran) which would have taken no more than 2 minutes to walk. It's totally unbelievable.

And why in the world would Callaway still make a radio call if the ambulance was already gone and he helped load Tippit's body in the ambulance. It makes no sense at all.

Also, the authorisation for autopsy has Tippit being declared DOA and the time of death at 1:15. DPD officer Davenport, who followed the ambulance to the hospital confirms that "Tippit was declared DOA at 1:15" twice, once in his report ("At 1:15 PM Dr. Liqouri pronounced him dead") and once on the document he used to submit a button of Tippit's uniform and a bullet taken from his body to the Identification Bureau (Handwritten: Dr. Liqouri pronounced DOA @ 1:15 PM).

Your scenario still has Markham being wrong about the time (and missing her bus), Bowley's watch being wrong (and thus picking up his daughter 7 minutes late, the clocks at Methodist Hospital being wrong and Davenport being wrong about the time Tippit was declared DOA.

Clinging to the unreliable time stamp calls on the DPD recordings for a time line make no sense, considering what J.C. Bowles told the HSCA.

There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." - J.C. Bowles


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2084 on: May 11, 2021, 09:06:52 AM »
What you believe is of very little importance. Even less so as it does not match what Markham herself said.

Nonsense.  "Markham herself" never said anything about a 1:12 bus or a 1:22 bus.  Therefore, the reality is that she could be referring to either one of them.  You don't have the right to state automatically (try as you might) that she was referring to the 1:12 bus.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2085 on: May 11, 2021, 09:07:20 AM »
Why take an affidavit if he didn't see any thing?

Indeed. He saw Tippit dead on the ground, could provide a reliable approximation of the time of the shooting and helped to load Tippit in the ambulance.
His testimony could have helped a great deal in figuring out a correct time line and a sequence of events.

But, just like Brown still is now, they were not interested, because a shooting at 1:09 means that Oswald couldn't possible have gotten there, on foot, if he left the rooming house at 1:03 or 1:04.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2086 on: May 11, 2021, 09:10:15 AM »
Nonsense.  "Markham herself" never said anything about a 1:12 bus or a 1:22 bus.  Therefore, the reality is that she could be referring to either one of them.  You don't have the right to state automatically (try as you might) that she was referring to the 1:12 bus.

You don't have the right to state automatically (try as you might) that she was referring to the 1:12 bus.

But you have the right to state automatically that she was catching the 1:22 bus, right?

Talk about nonsense.

She said she left her home at 1:06 / 1:07 and there is nothing in her statements anywhere that contradicts that. The distance from her home to the bus stop at Jefferson was no more than 5 minutes. Waiting for the 1:22 bus would have her waiting at the bus stop for 10 minutes. Highly unlikely. Even less so as this was her daily routine.

There are more holes in your story than in Swiss cheese, which is why you constantly need to change your story.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2087 on: May 11, 2021, 09:27:50 AM »
I believe Markham, who said she was rushing to leave her apartment, was a little behind normal time for her that day

Markham never said anything of the kind. She testified that she left home on 9th street "a little after one", which could be as late as 1:06 or 1:07.

She never said anything of the kind?  You need to go learn the evidence a little better, still.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #2087 on: May 11, 2021, 09:27:50 AM »