So, you weren't trying to spin anything at all when you tried to use Bowles' statements to claim that "[a]t best the time calls on the DPD recordings are the product of a very weak system" a few pages back?
Didn't miss it at all. However, I'm missing where you showed Bowles actually stating that the dispatcher clocks were out of spec that afternoon. Or any other evidence that the clocks were off spec.
As I said (and you deleted it without responding to it), "You can claim Nov 22 was one of those exceptional days, but then you need to present evidence for it. Bowles himself was the supervisor of the dispatch center. Later, he spent a great deal of time pouring over the Dictabelt when he prepared the original channel one transcripts. And yet, he can't point to a single such exception."
Like Davenport, Nurse Thompson was also in the Methodist ER that afternoon. Unlike Davenport, she was there every workday and had a much better perspective on the functioning of the Hospital's timekeeping machinery. Her bringing up the issue with Golz implies that she didn't believe that Tippt was wheeled in at 1:15 or just before.
BTW, who claimed Davenport lied? I never did. But if he's basing time of DOA on a clock that's way off, then his report will be way off because of it. Or, if Davenport (who was a traffic cop and not a murder investigator) is told that Ligouri was going to declare Tippit DOA and put the time of death at 1:15, and misunderstands the difference between time of death and time declared dead, he's still going to honestly wrong.
Didn't miss it at all. However, I'm missing where you showed Bowles actually stating that the dispatcher clocks were out of spec that afternoon. Or any other evidence that the clocks were off spec. You clearly missed the preponderance of evidence that justifies the conclusion that the clocks were indeed off
And why should I show where Bowles said the dispatcher clocks were out of spec that afternoon, when the man has already told the HSCA that the Simplex clock used by the dispatchers indicated the incorrect time.? After such a blanket statement from the man in charge, it's upon you to show that they did work correctly and showed the correct time on November 22nd 1963.
"There is no way to connect "police time" with "real time." -
J.C. BowlesAs I said (and you deleted it without responding to it), "You can claim Nov 22 was one of those exceptional days, but then you need to present evidence for it. Not sure what you are rambling on about, but I never deleted anything you said nor did I ever claim that "Nov 22 was one of those exceptional days". In fact, it seems to have been a normal day with dispatcher's clocks showing the wrong time. If anything was different it probably was that the time stamps called out by the dispatchers were also off due to the heavy radio traffic.
Like Davenport, Nurse Thompson was also in the Methodist ER that afternoon. Unlike Davenport, she was there every workday and had a much better perspective on the functioning of the Hospital's timekeeping machinery. Her bringing up the issue with Golz implies that she didn't believe that Tippt was wheeled in at 1:15 or just before.Nurse Thompson can believe what she wants. If you look hard enough you will likely always find somebody who says what you want to hear, but a belief by an idividual can hardly be enough to challenge first day documents. On the day it actually happened, Davenport and his partner Bardin wrote in their report that Tippit was declared dead at 1:15 and Davenport wrote in his own hand that Tippit was declared DOA at 1:15 on the form he used to submit a button from Tippit's jacket and a bullet removed from his body (at 1:30) to the DPD Identification Bureau.
BTW, who claimed Davenport lied? I never did. But if he's basing time of DOA on a clock that's way off, then his report will be way off because of it. What makes you think that Davenport used a clock that's way off? Who said that?
Or, if Davenport (who was a traffic cop and not a murder investigator) is told that Ligouri was going to declare Tippit DOA and put the time of death at 1:15, and misunderstands the difference between time of death and time declared dead, he's still going to honestly wrong.Are you trying to argue that a traffic cop is not as able as a murder investigator to read a clock? If you're not, then why did you bring it uo? You seem to be desperate for Davenport to be wrong. In their report Davenport and Bardin state that they were present in the emergency room where they watched the doctors and nurses trying to bring Tippit back to life and that Dr Liquori pronounced him dead at 1:15. Nobody told them nor was there a misunderstanding, Davenport and Bardin were there. They heard and saw it. And btw, there is not difference between death and time delared dead in this case. Declared DOA is exactly that.
Dead on arrival. There isn't a ER doctor who declares somebody DOA by trying to figure out when exactly that person died. That's just plain silly.
One final comment. LNs constantly tells us non-believers that we should not examine each individual piece of evidence seperately, but instead should look at the bigger picture. This happens mainly when we are discussing the MC rifle etc. Yet here you are ignoring a complete interlocking time line based on solid corroboration by witness statements, documents and local knowledge and all you do is pick two items (dispatcher clock & Bowles and Davenport) to discuss. Why is that? Do you think you can score points that way?
Why not take on the entire time line and tell us all what is wrong with it (other of course that it does not match the DPD radio transcripts, because we already know that and have explained it)?
Here's the actual bottom line. When J.C. Bowles, the man in charge of the DPD dispatchers tells the HSCA that the dispatcher's clocks showed incorrect times, and when he clearly states that police time is not the same as real time, why would anybody still go out of his/her way to argue that the time stamp calls on the DPD recordings/transcripts are correct nevertheless?
