Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Gerry Down]

No it's not a good point. It's a made up point. If innocent people were not being framed by cops and prosecutors, then why is Project Innocence getting so many people out of jail who were innocent and wrongly convicted?

Most of those are violent criminals getting off on technicalities.

[Martin Weidmann]

Most of those are violent criminals getting off on technicalities.

Like DNA testing proving it's not their DNA that was found at the crime scene? Yeah, that's a hell of a technicality.

Dream on....

Maybe they do things differently on the planet where you live, but here on earth prosecutors (and defense lawyers) don't give a damn about guilt or innocence. The adversarial system that we call a trial is all about winning cases.

[Gerry Down]

Maybe they do things differently on the planet where you live, but here on earth prosecutors (and defense lawyers) don't give a damn about guilt or innocence. The adversarial system that we call a trial is all about winning cases.

Jim Garrisons name comes to mind.

Checkmate.

[Richard Smith]

The documentation posted confirms that a pistol with a specific serial number was sent to Oswald/Hidell.

No it doesn't.

That is the same pistol in his possession upon arrest.

Just because Carroll (who did not see who was holding the revolver when he grabbed it) told Hill and Hill told everybody else that this was Oswald's revolver? Wow

I'm not sure how there could be much more evidence than the fact that the pistol sent to Oswald is the same one he has in his possession.

That's no big surprise, as you are usually clueless about just about everything.

As usual, you just ignore the actual evidence and go down another pedantic rabbit hole suggesting any evidence of Oswald's guilt is the product of fakery.

You constantly talk about the "actual evidence" yet you never provide it or point towards it. Why is that?

Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

To support what claim?

The DPD would frame Oswald for a crime they know he did not commit.  They would allow Tippit's murderer to go free but only after acquiring his pistol to plant on Oswald as the murder weapon.  Why they would do this is left unexplained.  They would then need to somehow manipulate all the documentation in the hands of external sources to link Oswald to the pistol.  They manage to somehow do all this within hours of his arrest.

Who said anything about framing Oswald within hours of his arrest? Stop making things up, will ya?

Contrarian mumbo jumbo.  You interjected doubt of Oswald's ownership of the pistol into the discussion citing some alleged minor delay in logging it into evidence.  Then you claim that you didn't say anything about anyone framing Oswald!!  Unreal.  If the pistol in evidence is not the same one that the DPD indicate they took from Oswald upon his arrest, then what exactly are you suggesting?  Who switched the pistols?  Who doctored all the documentation to link the pistol to Oswald/Hidell?  And for what purpose would this be done except to frame Oswald for the murder of Tippit?  And wouldn't that mean by implication that the DPD knew the identity of the real murderer (because they obtained his pistol) and decided to let him go free to put the blame on Oswald?  Wouldn't all this fakery have to take place quickly since the evidence is documented within hours of Oswald's arrest?  You have to own the implications of your own loony theories even if you don't like them. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Contrarian mumbo jumbo.  You interjected doubt of Oswald's ownership of the pistol into the discussion citing some alleged minor delay in logging it into evidence.  Then you claim that you didn't say anything about anyone framing Oswald!!  Unreal.  If the pistol in evidence is not the same one that the DPD indicate they took from Oswald upon his arrest, then what exactly are you suggesting?  Who switched the pistols?  Who doctored all the documentation to link the pistol to Oswald/Hidell?  And for what purpose would this be done except to frame Oswald for the murder of Tippit?  And wouldn't that mean by implication that the DPD knew the identity of the real murderer (because they obtained his pistol) and decided to let him go free to put the blame on Oswald?  Wouldn't all this fakery have to take place quickly since the evidence is documented within hours of Oswald's arrest?  You have to own the implications of your own loony theories even if you don't like them.

Just plain mumbo jumbo. I'm getting a bit bored with your rants. Stop asking silly questions and telling me what I supposedly have claimed and start dealing with the actual evidence.

How do we know that the revolver now in evidence at the NA is the same revolver they took from Oswald?

A simple question, so try to answer it for once instead of posting another rant.


some alleged minor delay in logging it into evidence.

OK this is definitely going to make the all time favorite top 10 of oversimplifications... 

[Bill Chapman]

If Roberts was mistaken about Oswald entering the house wearing only a shirt (as Dan O'meara suggests) then why can't Brewer be mistaken also?

Brewer said no jacket
Roberts said shirt sleeves

[Bill Chapman]

It makes sense Bill but Frazier is emphatic about the jacket.
Linnie is all "maybe" "I don't really know" I wasn't paying attention" sort of thing.
What you propose is the simplest and most efficient solution except for the insistence of Frazier who not only drove to work with him that morning but walked behind him as he tried to tuck his package under his arm.
McWatters and some kid whose name I forget have the man who is eventually ID'd as Oswald wearing a jacket as does Whaley,
Bledose ID's Oswald's shirt after the arrest.
And he may have taken it off by the time Roberts saw him as he was in full flight and looking for a quick change (perhaps)

I would like to go there for convenience's sake but my stupid brain won't allow it.
And just when I thought I was on to something  a lot of the witnesses seem to be describing a jacket darker than CE 162.

I'll be down this rabbit hole if you need me for anything

Cut to the quick: Ce163 was left behind @TBSD
You do the math.

[Dan O'meara]

Cut to the quick: Ce63 was left behind @TBSD
You do the math.

CE 163 was found in the TSBD, no doubt.
The same jacket Frazier is emphatic he didn't recognise and had never seen Oswald wearing.
In contrast to the light grey, long-sleeved, zipper jacket Frazier swears up and down Oswald was wearing that morning and when he dropped him off on Thursday.
A jacket he states three times he is familiar with.

McWatters and, in particular Whaley, put a jacket on Oswald/the guy with the transfer ticket.
So does some kid whose name I can't remember (I want to say Milton)

You do your math Bill and I'll do mine.

PS Why would Brewer see Oswald with a jacket on?