Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Jerry Freeman]

 
....... and the Dallas police tapes were tampered with. Do I have it right?

Oh maybe..how about the depressed microphone for several minutes just right when the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and then headed to the hospital. One of the umptyfive hundred coincidences just in the space of an half hour   
 

[Martin Weidmann]

Oh maybe..how about the depressed microphone for several minutes just right when the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and then headed to the hospital. One of the umptyfive hundred coincidences just in the space of an half hour   
 

The biggest problem for the believers in a 1.14 / 1.15 shooting of Tippit are the combined timelines of Markham and Bowley. Their "estimates" don't have to be "spot on". There are two anchors which IMO make it nearly impossible to challenge these timelines, even when you give or take a minute or so.

First of all, we know that Markham arrived at the scene, at least two or three minutes (my estimate), prior to Bowley. Markham saw the shooting taking place and Bowley arrived shortly after it happened.

Secondly, we know that Bowley said he picked up his daughter from school at "about 12.55" and school bells tend to ring on time.

So, if you want to push back Markham's time, you also have to push back Bowley's timeline with the same amount of time, otherwise there is no way that Bowley could have arrived after Markham saw the shooting.

Markham said she left home at "a little after one" and that it could have been as late as 1.06 or 1.07. The walking distance from 9th street to 10th/Patton is one block which takes about 2 minutes, which would have her arrive at 10th/Patton at the latest at 1.09.

The route Bowley described from the school to 10th/Patton takes an estimated 13 minutes, so if he picked up his daughter at "about 12.55" and allow a bit more time for traffic, he could and would have arrived at 10th/Patton at roughly 1.10.

Inbetween those to arrival times Tippit must have been shot.

So, what happens if you try to push back Markham's arrival time to (let's say) 1.14? It would mean that Bowley's timeline would have to be pushed back by 5 minutes also, but how does that work when you know he picked up his daughter from school at 12.55? Five minutes late would have left his daughter waiting for him for 5 minutes after school was out.... so, what's the reasoning there? Bowley got to the school 5 minutes late and somehow didn't notice it?

And what about Markham, where was she during those extra 5 minutes? Did she perhaps go for coffee halfway down the 2 minute walk it would have taken to get her from 9th to 10th street?

[Bill Brown]

Markham said she left home at "a little after one" and that it could have been as late as 1.06 or 1.07. The walking distance from 9th street to 10th/Patton is one block which takes about 2 minutes, which would have her arrive at 10th/Patton at the latest at 1.09.

The route Bowley described from the school to 10th/Patton takes an estimated 13 minutes, so if he picked up his daughter at "about 12.55" and allow a bit more time for traffic, he could and would have arrived at 10th/Patton at roughly 1.10.

Inbetween those to arrival times Tippit must have been shot.

Okay.  So Oswald killed Tippit just before 1:10 p.m.

Now what?

[Bill Brown]

THE COP-KILLER IN THE ALLEY

Bill Smith and Jimmy Burt were about a block away, east of the intersection of Tenth and Patton. When they heard the shots, they went to the patrol car and to the fallen officer. After spending some time there, they went to the corner and turned left onto Patton, heading south towards Jefferson (the same path they observed the killer take, from what they could see).

When they reached a point halfway down the block on Patton (between Tenth and Jefferson), they looked west along the alley and saw the killer in the alley one block down, at a point which places the killer behind the Texaco station (exactly where the jacket was found). Bill Smith positively identified the killer as Lee Oswald. Jimmy Burt felt he didn't get a good enough look at the killer.

Point being, Bill Smith and Jimmy Burt both place the killer behind the Texaco lot where the jacket was found. The enclosed photo (taken shortly after the day of the Tippit murder) shows the view down the alley, looking west, from Patton (where Burt and Smith were standing).

Also included is a look at the Ballew's Texaco, circa early 60's. The building still stands today, now housing Santos Muffler & Radiator. Notice the back of the Abundant Life Temple behind the Texaco station. The police originally believed the killer fled to that building after disappearing behind the Texaco station.

[Bill Brown]

Helen Markham's version of the killer's route (as he was fleeing) changed over the years.

In later years, she said the killer took off down the alley, something she did not mention originally.  Thing is, Markham's son James was good friends with Bill Smith.  Remember, Smith saw the killer in the alley one block west of Patton.  Smith lost sight of the killer as the killer turned the corner at Patton.  It is perfectly natural for Smith and Burt to assume the killer entered the alley at Patton (versus known testimony which shows that the killer went all the way down to Jefferson before making his way to the Texaco and then the lot behind the Texaco).

It seems reasonable that Bill Smith would tell his friends (of which Helen's son James was one) that the killer fled through the alley... and then James would relay that to his mom.  Then, Helen, over time, begins to add that to her telling of events, i.e. Helen Markham's claims of the killer fleeing through the alley were influenced, indirectly, by Bill Smith.

[John Mytton]

THE COP-KILLER IN THE ALLEY

Bill Smith and Jimmy Burt were about a block away, east of the intersection of Tenth and Patton. When they heard the shots, they went to the patrol car and to the fallen officer. After spending some time there, they went to the corner and turned left onto Patton, heading south towards Jefferson (the same path they observed the killer take, from what they could see).

When they reached a point halfway down the block on Patton (between Tenth and Jefferson), they looked west along the alley and saw the killer in the alley one block down, at a point which places the killer behind the Texaco station (exactly where the jacket was found). Bill Smith positively identified the killer as Lee Oswald. Jimmy Burt felt he didn't get a good enough look at the killer.

Point being, Bill Smith and Jimmy Burt both place the killer behind the Texaco lot where the jacket was found. The enclosed photo (taken shortly after the day of the Tippit murder) shows the view down the alley, looking west, from Patton (where Burt and Smith were standing).

Also included is a look at the Ballew's Texaco, circa early 60's. The building still stands today, now housing Santos Muffler & Radiator. Notice the back of the Abundant Life Temple behind the Texaco station. The police originally believed the killer fled to that building after disappearing behind the Texaco station.

 

Great post and I don't think I've seen those photo's before.

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

Great post and I don't think I've seen those photo's before.

JohnM

Thanks John.

[Bill Brown]

Markham could have regularly caught a bus at 1:12 and 1:22, but there was no stop scheduled for 1:15 like she claims in her testimony: