Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Walt Cakebread]

A witness cannot refuse to participate in a line up...

Oh yes he can. All he needs to do is say - as Benavides did - that he was not sure if he could identify the shooter.

Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate,..

Where did you get this information from, Walt?

The truth is; The cops didn't want Benavides to view a line up....Because he had seen the killer face to face and he had seen Lee Oswald's picture on TV and he knew that Lee was not the killer. 

Huh? That would not have been a problem at all. At worst the result of such a line up would be that Benavides failed to identify the shooter. No biggie at all. Such things happen all the time.

The cops sure as hell didn't want Benavides on record just as they didn't want Howard Brennan's failure to identify Lee Oswald in the Line up.

They may not have wanted Brennan's failure to identify on record, but on record it is nevertheless.

All he needs to do is say - as Benavides did - that he was not sure if he could identify the shooter.

And that's acceptable?....  The cops would reply...That's OK, we want you take a look anyway, after all that is the whole idea of having a line up.    Those cops did NOT want Benavides to view a line up, after he told them that the guy that he's seen on the TV didn't look like the guy he saw shoot the officer. 

[Jerry Freeman]

Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate,..
Where did you get this information from, Walt?

The Commission attorneys didn't really want her either....and she was their star witness.
The witlesses here redundantly chime about her pointing out Oswald in a line up and it has been posted earlier in the thread that counsel had to tear it out of her and all she could say was '#2 frightened her'
 
 

[Walt Cakebread]

The Commission attorneys didn't really want her either....and she was their star witness.
The witlesses here redundantly chime about her pointing out Oswald in a line up and it has been posted earlier in the thread that counsel had to tear it out of her and all she could say was '#2 frightened her'
 

Oh, Yes...Mrs Markham got cold chills when she viewed the line up..... And what citizen wouldn't ??  Seeing an obvious stacked deck of four cards.....  Three queens and a joker....  Markham knew what was going on but they had her between a rock and a hard spot....Her son had been in some trouble with the law, and if she didn't cooperate she might be visiting her son in Huntsville.

[Martin Weidmann]

All he needs to do is say - as Benavides did - that he was not sure if he could identify the shooter.

And that's acceptable?....  The cops would reply...That's OK, we want you take a look anyway, after all that is the whole idea of having a line up.    Those cops did NOT want Benavides to view a line up, after he told them that the guy that he's seen on the TV didn't look like the guy he saw shoot the officer.

And that's acceptable?...

Sure it is. What's the point in wasting time with a witness who is not sure if he can identify the killer?

The cops would reply...That's OK, we want you take a look anyway, after all that is the whole idea of having a line up.

Actually, the idea of having a line up is finding out if witnesses who think they can identify the killer can actually do so!

Those cops did NOT want Benavides to view a line up, after he told them that the guy that he's seen on the TV didn't look like the guy he saw shoot the officer.

It's difficult to argue with an opinion, so I won't, Walt. It's that's what you believe, so be it.


Btw, where did you get the information that "Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate" in a line up?

[Martin Weidmann]

The Commission attorneys didn't really want her either....and she was their star witness.
The witlesses here redundantly chime about her pointing out Oswald in a line up and it has been posted earlier in the thread that counsel had to tear it out of her and all she could say was '#2 frightened her'
 

I agree that the WC wasn't happy having to use Markham's testimony.

That they nevertheless had her as their star witness in the Tippit shooting exposes IMO the weakness of their case.

[Walt Cakebread]

And that's acceptable?...

Sure it is. What's the point in wasting time with a witness who is not sure if he can identify the killer?

The cops would reply...That's OK, we want you take a look anyway, after all that is the whole idea of having a line up.

Actually, the idea of having a line up is finding out if witnesses who think they can identify the killer can actually do so!

Those cops did NOT want Benavides to view a line up, after he told them that the guy that he's seen on the TV didn't look like the guy he saw shoot the officer.

It's difficult to argue with an opinion, so I won't, Walt. It's that's what you believe, so be it.


Btw, where did you get the information that "Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate" in a line up?

 where did you get the information that "Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate" in a line up?

I can't remember ...Except The author pointed out that Fritz was pushing to get Markham to view a line up ASAP, because she was hysterical....( He considered having her sedated )   Does this sound like a willing participant to you?

[Martin Weidmann]

where did you get the information that "Mrs Markham sure as hell didn't want to participate" in a line up?

I can't remember ...Except The author pointed out that Fritz was pushing to get Markham to view a line up ASAP, because she was hysterical....( He considered having her sedated )   Does this sound like a willing participant to you?

The fact that she was hysterical doesn't preclude the possibility that she might be a willing participant in a line up once she calmed down, does it now?

And that Fritz was pushing to get Markham to view a line up also doesn't mean that she did not want to participate. What would be the point of getting somebody to view a line up, if that person doesn't want to be there? What could the possible outcome of such a viewing be?

[Walt Cakebread]

The fact that she was hysterical doesn't preclude the possibility that she might be a willing participant in a line up once she calmed down, does it now?

And that Fritz was pushing to get Markham to view a line up also doesn't mean that she did not want to participate. What would be the point of getting somebody to view a line up, if that person doesn't want to be there? What could the possible outcome of such a viewing be?

What WAS the outcome?....  Didn't they use the hysterical woman's screwy identification " chills just ran all over me" as a positive ID?