The Magic Bullet

[John Iacoletti]

I don't have to "know" it to be true by itself.  I know it to be true because Oswald not carrying a package out of the TSBD fits with all the rest of the evidence and Oswald carrying a package out fits with none of the evidence (no one noticed him carrying anything and no package was found, no curtain rods were found but a package similar to the one he carried into the TSBD was found and the gun that is linked to Oswald was found in the TSBD).

So, in other words, you're guessing that Oswald didn't carry a package out of the TSBD.

And really?  If something is not found then it never existed?  Is that your position?  Was Harold Norman's lunch bag ever found?  How about Oswald's black shirt?

A friendly suggestion: Watch a few episodes of Forensic Files and tell us whether you agree with their conclusions.

I've seen a lot of Forensic Files and they only give you one side of the story.  Not unlike the Warren Commission.

But this isn't a forensic case.  It would be interesting though to check the evidence that hasn't yet gone "missing" for DNA.

[Andrew Mason]

So, in other words, you're guessing that Oswald didn't carry a package out of the TSBD.

And really?  If something is not found then it never existed?  Is that your position?  Was Harold Norman's lunch bag ever found?  How about Oswald's black shirt?

I've seen a lot of Forensic Files and they only give you one side of the story.  Not unlike the Warren Commission.

But this isn't a forensic case.  It would be interesting though to check the evidence that hasn't yet gone "missing" for DNA.

Let me ask you: would you agree that there were grounds to arrest Oswald?

[Zeon Wasinsky]

my problems with CE 399:

1. No experiment so far which shoots MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet thru 2 bodies, then exits spinning and enters a wrist backwards, goes thru, and looks like CE 399 when recovered.

2. No experiment involving shooting an MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet through 2 bodies has demonstrated the straight line trajectory of the SBT proposed by Myers computer animation.

2b. Nor has any shooting experiment demonstated the bullet trajectory zig zagging as an alternative explanation for all the wounds.

3. The finding of CE 399, and the subsequent chain of custody is in doubt, given the revelation that FBI agent Odum denied  having made report that O.P.Wright had positively identified CE 399 as the bullet he found on stretcher. O.P Wright thought the bullet appeared to be more pointed, as opposed to ball shaped. 

4. No blood splatter on Governor Connallys white hat, which was in proximity to bullet exit point in his chest and close to his wrist, since he still had it gripped in hand after the fact.

5. The convoluted position necessary to explain how Gov Connally could be holding hat upside down and no part of hat be in the bullet trajectory path is problematic and the Z film position at Z 223 does not appear to support a right arm crossed over far enough to be holding hat upside down on the outer left side of JCs left thigh as in this diagram:

[John Iacoletti]

Let me ask you: would you agree that there were grounds to arrest Oswald?

At the time he was arrested, no.  Hypothetically after evidence was gathered, yes.  But then he gets acquitted because of reasonable doubt.

[Bill Chapman]

my problems with CE 399:

1. No experiment so far which shoots MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet thru 2 bodies, then exits spinning and enters a wrist backwards, goes thru, and looks like CE 399 when recovered.

2. No experiment involving shooting an MC 6.5 ball FMJ bullet through 2 bodies has demonstrated the straight line trajectory of the SBT proposed by Myers computer animation.

2b. Nor has any shooting experiment demonstated the bullet trajectory zig zagging as an alternative explanation for all the wounds.

3. The finding of CE 399, and the subsequent chain of custody is in doubt, given the revelation that FBI agent Odum denied  having made report that O.P.Wright had positively identified CE 399 as the bullet he found on stretcher. O.P Wright thought the bullet appeared to be more pointed, as opposed to ball shaped. 

4. No blood splatter on Governor Connallys white hat, which was in proximity to bullet exit point in his chest and close to his wrist, since he still had it gripped in hand after the fact.

5. The convoluted position necessary to explain how Gov Connally could be holding hat upside down and no part of hat be in the bullet trajectory path is problematic and the Z film position at Z 223 does not appear to support a right arm crossed over far enough to be holding hat upside down on the outer left side of JCs left thigh as in this diagram:

Lets see you post an image of CE399
It'll be a first for CTers if you also post the butt-end view.
But then they'll label you an LNer for being so honest.

FMJ ammo is designed to remain as intact as possible when passing through human flesh.
The proof is in the pudding, as even today gun owners are warned not to use FMJ ammo for home defence since although you may land a couple on the intruder, you have a good chance of inadvertently scoring a twofer* involving a family member who might be caught behind him, what with rushing around in all that excitement.

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[John Iacoletti]

Lets see you post an image of CE399
It'll be a first for CTers if you also post the butt-end view.

Demonstrably false.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/11340-there-was-no-bullet-wound-in-john-f-kennedys-throat/?page=77&tab=comments#comment-335601

[Bill Chapman]

Demonstrably false.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/11340-there-was-no-bullet-wound-in-john-f-kennedys-throat/?page=77&tab=comments#comment-335601

Haven't seen any one here do so

[Martin Weidmann]

Haven't seen any one here do so

You just did, didn't you?

Or does posting a link to the subject matter not count?

And it has been done in the past on the old forum as well.

Btw, I would be interested to see even a shred of evidence that shows conclusively that the bullet now in evidence as CE 399 is actually the same bullet as the one Tomlinson found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. Do you have such evidence or know where it can be found?