The Truly Magical Bullet

[Zeon Mason]

Not only that, but Joe continues to completely ignore the "jiggle" near Z290, which is as big as the one near Z158, and the jiggle near Z190 for no other reason than that they don't fit his "probable" predetermined narrative.

That Z190 "jiggle" WOULD fit Roseary Willis coming to an abrupt halt at Z195 and that would fit nicely with Betzer Z186 and Wiliis photo Z205, the period of time both of those photographers thought they heard the 1st shot fired.

But that would be 1 sec before Z224 and so, that would mess up the MC rifle fired 3 times theory, unless someone can show its possible shoot 2 shots in 1 sec with an MC rifle.

[Andrew Mason]

Even with almost all eyes on the President and Jackie? Even so, I recall there were a few witnesses who reported dust being kicked up off the street.

If you are referring to Virgie Baker (Rachley), initially, she said she thought saw something hit in front of the President's car on the road, not the curb (her November 24, 1963 interview). She didn't  mention it in her March 1964 FBI statement (22 H 635/6). In her deposition to the WC, she said that it hit BEHIND the President's car past the Stemmons freeway sign (7 H 510):

"Mr. LIEBELER. Where was the thing that you saw hit the street in relation to the
President?s car? I mean, was it in front of the car, behind his car, by the side of his car or
was it close to the car?
Mrs. BAKER. I thought it was-well-behind it."

Exhibit CE354 was marked to show where she said the bullet hit. She put it well past the
Stemmons sign. Now if that was BEHIND the President's car (I'm not sure how she
would have seen that because the follow-up car would have been in the way), it must
have happened at about z250. It couldn't have happened at z160. [Mrs. Baker was
standing at the point marked 1. and the thing that hit the road was at the point marked 2.
on CE354. See:
http://www.historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0487a.htm

I don?t think the bullet melts. It is just torn apart into small pieces. The lead and the copper jacket both. I never read anything in Larry Sturdivan?s book that describes bullets fragmenting due to partial or total melting.

The Haags searched for the bullet and/or large fragments, and found none.

Is there anything in the literature by a ballistic expert about bullets melting, partially or fully, as a result of striking rock or asphalt? Or any target?

It depends on the target. It is just a matter of physics. The bullet asborbs energy when it compresses.  If the bullet does not deform or displace the target then all of the kinetic energy of the bullet is absorbed by the bullet itself.  A 10 gram bullet travelling at 670 m/sec has 2250 Joules of kinetic energy.  When that energy is transferred to the bullet, the bullet heats up. If enough energy is absorbed, the bullet lead melts. You can see this, for example, in these clips:

The specific heat of lead is .128 Joules per gram-degree C. The melting point of lead is 327C.   So in order to bring 10 grams of lead initially at 20C the bullet to its melting point it just has to absorb 307 x 10 x .128 Joules = 392 Joules or less than 20% of the total bullet energy. There is additional energy of 22.4 J/g to actually melt it, so an additional 224 Joules would be needed to melt 10 grams of lead, for a total of 616 Joules or less than 30% of the total bullet energy. 

We can estimate that the 10 gram bullet has 8 g. of lead and 2 g. of copper jacket. Copper has a specific heat of .385 J/g-deg. C, a melting point of 1083 deg. C, and a latent heat of melting of 207 J/g (9 times that of lead).  So to melt 2 grams of copper initially at 20C, the jacket needs to absorb 2 x 1063 x .385 + 2 x 207 = 1233 Joules or over half the bullet energy. 

Since it is apparent that a significant amount of energy is transferred to the target when hitting asphalt, there is likely not enough energy available from the impact to melt the copper even if the jacket absorbed all the compression energy.  But the 8 g of lead absorbing its share of half the bullet energy (.8 x .5 x 2250 = 900 J.) receives almost twice the amount of energy needed to melt all the lead. 

[John Iacoletti]

CTers insist a careful search should have been made of the street. The whole case against Oswald goes up in smoke because this was not done.

Who has insisted that a careful search should have been made of the street?  That's a complete strawman.  I merely asked why you believe that a shot hit the pavement if there is no evidence of such.  You and and the coward keep whining that nobody is answering your contrived question, but you're certainly avoiding all the inconvenient questions put to you.

I don?t see why they think this would make such a big difference.

** A rifle found on the sixth floor.

** A bullet found at the hospital that was fired from that rifle.

** Two bullet fragments found that were fired from the rifle were found in the limousine.

** Fingerprints of the suspect found on the rifle and on the boxes by the window.

** A suspect who leaves the scene immediately who pulled a gun on the first police officer who approaches him (actually, likely the first two officers) within 75 minutes later.

All of this is not enough to convince them that Oswald is guilty.

And for good reason, Joe.  None of this tells you anything about who fired a weapon at JFK.  And the bit about Oswald pulling a gun on an officer is a flat out fabrication that you all keep repeating with no evidence to support it.

[John Iacoletti]

Rather than admit they're unable to answer a simple question which demolishes their frontal entry fantasy, they divert by asking 'what happened to the missed shot ?'.

It's not a diversion.  It points out your drooling hypocrisy.  "Duh, I dunno...musta disappeared" is apparently a reasonable answer, but only when you're the one giving it.

Your "challenge", like everything you post here, is BS trolling.

[John Iacoletti]

Re-enactments of the assassination duplicating the same positioning, distances, and using the same ammo and anatomically correct forensic 'dummies' have demonstrated the viability of the SBT.

Name one.

C'mon droolers, where did the bullet go ?

Duh...I dunno...musta disappeared.  Just like that pavement bullet you made up.

[John Iacoletti]

1.   How do you explain the coincidence of two bullets, one from the front and one from the back, that just happen to hit on opposite sides of the neck?

Why do you pretend that there is agreement that the two wounds were on "opposite sides of the neck"?

[Matt Grantham]

 the chip on the curb does not seem consistent with being hit by an entire bullet. That is total speculation, but maybe we should shot some curbs with Carcanos  A lot gun enthusiasts out there

[John Iacoletti]

That Z190 "jiggle" WOULD fit Roseary Willis coming to an abrupt halt at Z195 and that would fit nicely with Betzer Z186 and Wiliis photo Z205, the period of time both of those photographers thought they heard the 1st shot fired.

But that would be 1 sec before Z224 and so, that would mess up the MC rifle fired 3 times theory, unless someone can show its possible shoot 2 shots in 1 sec with an MC rifle.

Exactly, which is why Joe and his ilk ignore it or contrive a different "explanation".  The Stemmons sign is already in the frame when Zapruder "resumes filming" at Z133.  Why does it suddenly cause a jiggle at Z190?  And Joe completely ignores and refuses to even address the jiggle at Z290.