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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #128 on: June 04, 2018, 05:11:49 AM »
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 Howard has been well tolerated, not that he deserves it, but one of a the very few who states they are sick of it is met with a personal attack?

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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2018, 05:17:46 AM »
Howard has been well tolerated, not that he deserves it, but one of a the very few who states they are sick of it is met with a personal attack?



Howard's fine and asks sensible questions but Jerry who seems like real no friends Loser is just being a wanker looking for a fight.



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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #130 on: June 04, 2018, 05:37:55 AM »

Howard's fine and asks sensible questions but Jerry who seems like real no friends Loser is just being a wanker looking for a fight.

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Howard is fine and asks sensible questions and is not looking for a fight??? :D

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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #131 on: June 04, 2018, 05:45:40 AM »



Instead of your lazy and increasingly tedious insults answer the question of what happened, you have the same information as us?

a) both men react simultaneously
Well, we can't be sure how simultaneous the reactions began because JFK could have begun reacting behind the Stemmons sign. The HSCA panel thought he began reacting before he disappeared behind the sign. He appears to be already reacting with his face and hands when he is first seen in z224. Besides, it is readily apparent from the testimony of JBC himself, Jackie and Nellie that he did react to the shot that struck JFK - the one that witnesses said caused JFK to react by moving left/bringing his hands to his neck/assuming a blank look.  It is just that JBC said that this was not the shot that he felt hit him in the back.
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b) both men are lined up perfectly with the 6th floor snipers nest window.
It is hardly perfect. JBC has to be about 13 inches left of JFK for the trajectory to work. At z222-224 JFK's hands would appear to be in the path of a bullet from his throat to JBC.
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c) the amount of lead missing from CE399 is virtually equal with the tiny pieces found in Connally's wrist
No one knows how what CE399 initially weighed exactly. The damage to the radius was severe. The radius is one of the hardest and strongest bones in the human body. More to the point, Greer felt a concussion from the second shot and Tague said he was not hit on the first or third shot and there were only three shots. It that is true, that means that a considerable fragment from the second shot left the car.
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d) the rear entry on Connally was linear meaning that CE399 passed through something first to cause tumbling.
The rear entry on JBC was elliptical, not linear and it is symmetrical. This is inconsistent with a tumbling bullet whose entry profile would necessarily be non-symmetrical.
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e) CE399 was not pristine and showed heavy deformation on one side indicating that it struck primarily side on.
"Heavy deformation" is a bit of an exaggeration. It was pushed in on the base only. That is consistent with striking the thigh butt-first which is how Dr Gregory described the cause of the thigh wound.
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f) as the bullet passed through Connally it caused less and less damage, a full on bullet shatters bone but Connally only had a fractured wrist.
??What about the complete obliteration of the last 10 cm of JBC's fifth rib? The bullet pentrated and destroyed that rib sending bone shards into lower lobe of the right lung.  What about the "tunnelling" wound path that Dr. Shaw described? What about the multiple fracture of the radius - a very hard bone?
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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #132 on: June 04, 2018, 06:11:01 AM »
Well, we can't be sure how simultaneous the reactions began because JFK could have begun reacting behind the Stemmons sign. The HSCA panel thought he began reacting before he disappeared behind the sign. He appears to be already reacting with his face and hands when he is first seen in z224. Besides, it is readily apparent from the testimony of JBC himself, Jackie and Nellie that he did react to the shot that struck JFK - the one that witnesses said caused JFK to react by moving left/bringing his hands to his neck/assuming a blank look.  It is just that JBC said that this was not the shot that he felt hit him in the back. It is hardly perfect. JBC has to be about 13 inches left of JFK for the trajectory to work. At z222-224 JFK's hands would appear to be in the path of a bullet from his throat to JBC. No one knows how what CE399 initially weighed exactly. The damage to the radius was severe. The radius is one of the hardest and strongest bones in the human body. More to the point, Greer felt a concussion from the second shot and Tague said he was not hit on the first or third shot and there were only three shots. It that is true, that means that a considerable fragment from the second shot left the car.The rear entry on JBC was elliptical, not linear. This is inconsistent with a tumbling bullet which necessarily non-symmetrical."Heavy deformation" is a bit of an exaggeration. It was pushed in on the base only. That is consistent with striking the thigh butt-first which is how Dr Gregory described the cause of the thigh wound.??What about the complete obliteration of the last 10 cm of JBC's fifth rib? The bullet pentrated and destroyed that rib sending bone shards into lower lobe of the right lung.  What about the "tunnelling" wound path that Dr. Shaw described? What about the multiple fracture of the radius - a very hard bone?



Dr Gregory was actually there and said the wound was a linear wound and by his size description the bullet entry had to have hit at a more obtuse angle or a tumbling bullet and since we know the bullets path through Connally this effectively rules out an obtuse angle.

Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.



And as the WC investigated, a full on bullet smashes, Connally's linear wrist wound was only a fracture therefore caused by a slower moving bullet.





Dr Gregory again describes a chaotically moving bullet.

Mr. SPECTER - Dr. Gregory, what was then the relative size of the wounds on the back and front side of the wrist itself?
Dr. GREGORY - As I recall them, the wound dimensions would be so far as the wound on the back of the wrist is concerned about a haft a centimeter by two and a half centimeters in length. It was rather linear in nature. The upper end of it having apparently lost some tissue was gapping more than the lower portion of it.




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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #133 on: June 04, 2018, 06:17:02 AM »
There's a bald headed kook that thinks continually asking what happened to the 'missed shot' absolves him of the responsibility of explaining what he thinks happened to the bullet that supposedly entered JFK's throat.

Wrong again.  I didn't claim that a bullet entered JFK's throat.  I'm merely pointing out your raging hypocrisy and special pleading.  Your bullet "didn't disappear" it simply "wasn't recovered".

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Without being able to explain where the bullet that entered JFK's throat went, the frontal entry theory has no viability.

Without being able to explain where the bullet that missed went, the missed bullet theory has no viability.  Note:  saying "that's different" is not an explanation.

Your "challenge" is as empty as your rhetoric.

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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #134 on: June 04, 2018, 06:20:25 AM »
The SBT is wrong because it conflicts with large bodies of consistent and well corroborated evidence. But that does not mean that someone other than, or in addition to, Oswald fired shots.

It doesn't even mean that Oswald fired any shots.

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Re: The Truly Magical Bullet
« Reply #135 on: June 04, 2018, 06:28:38 AM »
Instead of your lazy and increasingly tedious insults answer the question of what happened, you have the same information as us?

a) both men react simultaneously

You see what you want to see.

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b) both men are lined up perfectly with the 6th floor snipers nest window.

Only if you start with the assumption that the SBT is true, make assumptions about which of the conflicting accounts of the wound locations were and then move Kennedy and Connally around in the limo until they sort of line up.

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c) the amount of lead missing from CE399 is virtually equal with the tiny pieces found in Connally's wrist

Unable to determine without knowing the starting weight.

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d) the rear entry on Connally was linear meaning that CE399 passed through something first to cause tumbling.

Not necessarily.  An ovoid wound could merely mean that it entered at an angle.

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e) CE399 was not pristine and showed heavy deformation on one side indicating that it struck primarily side on.

Let's be honest here.  There's no evidence that CE 399 was involved in the assassination at all.

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f) as the bullet passed through Connally it caused less and less damage, a full on bullet shatters bone but Connally only had a fractured wrist.

Depends what kind of weapon fired it and from where.  You're pre-assuming the same high powered rifle from the TSBD caused all the wounds.

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« Reply #135 on: June 04, 2018, 06:28:38 AM »