The Truly Magical Bullet

[Tim Nickerson]

I thought you were suggesting that this bullet's similarity to CE399 was evidence that CE399 could have caused all of JBC's wounds.  If not, what was your point?

Andrew, perhaps you should take a closer look at my post and that which it was responding to.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,753.msg17306.html#msg17306

[Jerry Freeman]

Calls made by who?

Easily found...

Dr. DiMaio is a disgrace to his profession. Every Defense attorney with an obviously guilty client can get Dimaio to testify for their defense.  Above you see the reporters discussing Phil Spector who was found guilty but would go from place to place threatening people with a gun until one day he actually shot someone.  Di Maio said no Spector did not kill someone the victim shot herself. 
While this situation is particularly egregious, this is not the first time that Dr. Dimaio had testified as a paid gun for a defense attorney.

https://www.change.org/p/revoke-the-lic-of-dr-vincent-di-maio-medical-examiner-for-the-defense-in-the-zimmerman-case

Defense or prosecution ...whoever needs him the most.

 

The bullets they recovered in this manner were suitable as standards, but were deformed to a greater extent than CE 399.

Any deformation at all should dis-prove the theory.
I'm arguing with knot holes.
 

[Mitch Todd]

You might provide links there instead of making pithy statements.
Dr. Vincent J.M. Di Maio? Hell.... calls were made to revoke his medical license after his handling of the Zimmerman case. The other guys??
The desperate HSCA pulled all kinds of guys out of their backsides in order to bolster the fraudulent Warren Report.

You seem to know exactly who who these guys are, and why I mentioned them, so why ask for links?

Anyway, since you brought them all up, here is the HSCA FPP:

Michael M. Baden, M.D., Chairman of the Panel, Chief Medical Examiner, New York City, N.Y.
John I. Coe, M.D., Chief Medical Examiner, Hennepin County, Minn.
Joseph H. Davis, M.D., Chief Medical Examiner, Dade County, Miami,
George S. Loquvam, M.D., Director, Institute of Forensic Sciences, Oakland, Calif.
Charles S. Petty, M.D., Chief Medical Examiner, Dallas County, Dallas, Tex.
Earl F. Rose, M.D., LL.B., Professor of Pathology, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Werner V. Spitz, M.D., Medical Examiner, Detroit, Mich.
Cyril H. Wecht, M.D., J.D., Coroner, Allegheny County, Pittsburgh,
James T. Weston, M.D., Chief Medical Investigator, School of Medicine, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, N. Mex

Four were Chief Medical Examiners of major cities/counties at the time. Not some backwoods backbenchers, as you would have it.
Spitz was CME of Wayne County (ie, Detroit); he is author, along with Russel Fisher, of one of the foundational texts of forensic pathology

Fisher is considered to be something of the father of modern American Forensic pathology.

Vince DiMaio was CME of Bexar Couty, TX (ie, San Antonio), and is the guy who literally wrote the book on gunshot wounds.

BTW, who called for DiMiao's license to be revoked? Was it medical experts, legal experts, or just a bunch of random internet crackpots who didn't like something he said?

But, again, you already seem to know who they were and what they think. So why the bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns exercise in demanding links?

[Tim Nickerson]

Easily found... https://www.change.org/p/revoke-the-lic-of-dr-vincent-di-maio-medical-examiner-for-the-defense-in-the-zimmerman-case

Defense or prosecution ...whoever needs him the most.

 Any deformation at all should dis-prove the theory.
I'm arguing with knot holes.

A Change.org petition that has 26 signatories?? 

WOW!!

[Jerry Freeman]

A Change.org petition that has 26 signatories??

 

You asked

[Jerry Freeman]

You seem to know exactly who who these guys are, and why I mentioned them, so why ask for links? 
But, again, you already seem to know who they were and what they think. So why the bullspombleprofglidnoctobuns exercise in demanding links?

I "demanded" nothing so cut the crap.
I see that the gospel according to Bugliosi is the chief source of reference for the parrots here.
So I will search for links that might be relevant to CE 399
In a segment on the Kennedy assassination produced for the HBO program Autopsy, Dr. Michael Baden made a number of claims that were certifiably false and/or extremely doubtful. Here are but a sampling of them:

1. At roughly 3 minutes into the program, Baden discusses the initial press conference given by Kennedy's emergency room doctors. Baden says "In fact, the doctors down in Texas, where the shooting occurred, indicated he'd been shot in the back and in the front." The doctors, in fact, indicated no such thing. They described an entrance in Kennedy's throat and a large wound on the back of his head. They presumed this to be an exit for the bullet entering his throat. They said nothing to indicate the bullet causing this wound came from behind Kennedy.

2. A few minutes later, the program's narrator discusses the initial autopsy and states "Because the pathologist's notes were stained with blood, he burned them. After he found out that tracheotomy had been performed in Dallas, he tried to reconstitute his notes, based on what he could remember." This is nonsense. Dr. Humes, the pathologist in question, testified that he burned his notes only after copying them, and that he burned these notes after he found out about the tracheotomy. The implication that the initial autopsy report was in error because Dr. Humes couldn't remember what he saw is unjustified and undoubtedly deceptive, feeding into Dr. Baden's eventual conclusion that the mistakes in the autopsy report were all "innocent."

3. Shortly thereafter, when discussing the autopsy photos, Dr. Baden repeats the story of Floyd Riebe, a navy photographer whose camera was confiscated by the Secret Service. He then explains what he considers to be the poor quality of the photos by stating "The only one who was taking photographs was a Secret Service person who'd never taken autopsy photos before." This is frighteningly inaccurate. The lone autopsy photographer was John Stringer, the navy's top autopsy photographer, and Riebe's superior. In his memoirs, published nearly 20 years ago, Baden claimed the lone photographer was an FBI photographer. This incensed the original autopsists, Dr. James Humes and Dr. J. Thornton Boswell, to such an extent that they made a point of debunking Baden's claim and discussed Stringer's qualifications and abilities in a 1992 interview in the Journal of the American Medical Association. One would think Dr. Baden would remember his getting schooled in such a public fashion.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/11988-baden-blithers-on/
There is a 4-5-6-7-8-9 claims that follow.

On Coe- found nothing
Davis testified on the fatal shot.. not in discussion here.
 Dittos  Loquvam
etc etc
What Bugliosi doesn't reveal is that the magic bullet theory was cooked up by Arlen Specter and Gerald Ford because they had to have it or the single shooter myth was doomed.

[Andrew Mason]

The point of the demonstration was to show that below a certain velocity, a bullet ceases to be noticeably deformed by an impact. And 1100fps is still pretty quick.  Extend the  implications of this test into the question at hand (and there are always caveats to that, but still, that's the data we got) and you come into something like, the great bulk of damage to the bullet would have been from Connally's rib.

A couple of points:

1.  The SBT has CE399 striking bone other than nose-first, and it has it striking and shattering a rib at a speed much greater than 1100 fps.

2.  The SBT has CE399 striking the radius butt-first at about 1100 fps to explain the dent in the butt end.

So if there is any meaningful demonstration it should be to have the bullet strike a radius butt-first at 1100 fps and see what both the bullet and radius look like.

[Tim Nickerson]

A couple of points:

1.  The SBT has CE399 striking bone other than nose-first, and it has it striking and shattering a rib at a speed much greater than 1100 fps.

2.  The SBT has CE399 striking the radius butt-first at about 1100 fps to explain the dent in the butt end.

So if there is any meaningful demonstration it should be to have the bullet strike a radius butt-first at 1100 fps and see what both the bullet and radius look like.

One of the Fackler test bullets was travelling over 1300 ft/s when it struck and fractured the radius bone. That bullet also was not deformed at all.