James Leon Simmons.... Overpass Witness

[Bill Brown]

Tom Meros: And when he walked on ahead of you could you even see the package?
Buell Frazier:  No

"I saw him go in the back door at the loading dock of the building that we work in and he still had the package under his arm." - Buell Frazier, 11/22/63

[Bill Brown]

It's been demonstrated repeatedly.  Your response is to just bleat "there is no doubt of Oswald's guilt" over and over again as if your lack of doubt proves anything.

You'll never be able to show that the revolver Hill fished out of his pocket 2 hours later which was then and only then initialed by everybody at the police station (including by a guy who never supposedly even touched it to begin with) was ever at the Texas Theater in anybody's waistband.

You'll never be able to show that the partial palmprint that turned up on an index card in Washington a week later was ever on the barrel of CE 139.

It's NOT been demonstrated repeatedly.  Your response is to just bleat "there is a problem with the chain of custody of much of the evidence" over and over again as if your lack of doubt in the validity of the evidence proves anything.

You'll never be able to show that the revolver in evidence was NOT the revolver taken from Oswald while inside the theater.  If you could, you would have by now.

You'll never be able to show that the partial palm print was not taken from the barrel of CE 139.  If you could, you would have by now.

[John Mytton]

Your last graphic begs a question. Why didn't the motorcade simply come down Elm Street into DP?

No turns would have been needed then.

No turns would have been needed then.

So from Love Field to Elm Street was just one long straight road? WOW!



JohnM

[John Mytton]

You'll never be able to show that the partial palm print was not taken from the barrel of CE 139.  If you could, you would have by now.

 





JohnM

[Bill Chapman]

Your last graphic begs a question. Why didn't the motorcade simply come down Elm Street into DP?

No turns would have been needed then.

You've been schooled on that.

[John Iacoletti]

You'll never be able to show that the revolver in evidence was NOT the revolver taken from Oswald while inside the theater.  If you could, you would have by now.

You'll never be able to show that the partial palm print was not taken from the barrel of CE 139.  If you could, you would have by now.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

[John Iacoletti]

Yeah, those black smudges look totally identical, Mr. yellow blob man.

[John Iacoletti]

This is where you're flat out wrong, but I don't expect you to understand.

For anyone else who cares...

No surprise that you're moving the goal posts.  You made claims about the magic revolver and the magic palmprint and then somehow that morphs into a claim about what you think a court would admit as evidence.  Martin has explained that particular fallacy on multiple occasions.

At trial, the evidence, like the shell casing found by Barbara Davis (for example), would be offered into evidence.  George Doughty would be called upon to identify the shell given to him by Barbara Davis as well as to identify his initials on this shell.  This would surely get the shell casing admitted into evidence.

Is what you think would "surely" happen at a hypothetical trial supposed to be evidence of anything?

Oswald's defense lawyer, one John Iacoletti, would As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day?  It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair.  His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate.  Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare.  There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.' and holler that there is no chain of custody for this shell casing. 

No, a defense lawyer would put Doughty on the stand and ask him if he recovered the shell from the crime scene or if it was handed to him.