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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #136 on: June 29, 2018, 10:01:24 AM »
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19. If, for instance, organized crime (or the CIA, military-industrial complex, etc.) decided to commit the biggest murder in American history, which would result in a retaliation against them of unprecedented proportions if they were discovered to be behind it, they would select a hit man who not only was exceptionally professional and tight-lipped but also had a very successful track record with them. Oswald had no track record with them. Yet they?re going to use and rely on someone like him to kill the president of the United States? Really?

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You make the case for why it wasn't Oswald.  :D



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Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #137 on: June 29, 2018, 10:45:33 AM »


18. Another point is that Oswald, though a good shot, qualified as a sharpshooter and a marksman in the Marines, but never as an expert. He certainly was not the professional shooter with sniper-like accuracy any group of conspirators would have automatically employed to kill the president of the United States. The CIA or mob or military-industrial complex would have chosen someone not only from the expert category, but from among the very best within that special category.
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That's why he could never have made the shots he is alleged to have made.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2018, 10:56:08 AM »


19. If, for instance, organized crime (or the CIA, military-industrial complex, etc.) decided to commit the biggest murder in American history, which would result in a retaliation against them of unprecedented proportions if they were discovered to be behind it, they would select a hit man who not only was exceptionally professional and tight-lipped but also had a very successful track record with them. Oswald had no track record with them. Yet they?re going to use and rely on someone like him to kill the president of the United States? Really?
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No not really, but they might use him as the patsy Oswald said he was.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2018, 09:02:25 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Offline Richard Rubio

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #139 on: June 29, 2018, 04:15:24 PM »


19. If, for instance, organized crime (or the CIA, military-industrial complex, etc.) decided to commit the biggest murder in American history, which would result in a retaliation against them of unprecedented proportions if they were discovered to be behind it, they would select a hit man who not only was exceptionally professional and tight-lipped but also had a very successful track record with them. Oswald had no track record with them. Yet they?re going to use and rely on someone like him to kill the president of the United States? Really?
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Absolutely correct, where are all of these "clandestine meetings" with espionage agents? They are nowhere to be found, we know what Oswald was doing almost all the time, no suspicious contacts.

Patsy? Why? Because LHO squealed about the FBI following him around? He wanted to see himself as a scape goat. Oh, yeah, let's take the word of a wife beater and use pretzel logic.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2018, 06:06:52 AM »



20. Without exception, all the pro-conspiracy books arguing that Oswald was a hit man for some powerful group (as we know, most contend he wasn?t involved in the assassination at all but was framed) promote the notion that Oswald?s relationship with the group went back some time, and for groups like U.S. intelligence and the KGB, at least four to five years. Further, they claim he was being groomed by them as a presidential assassin or for some other very serious mission. But how likely is it that with the biggest murder ever coming up on his plate, Oswald (on his own or with the group?s knowledge and consent) would try to murder some other public figure first? (As we know, Oswald attempted to murder Major General Edwin Walker just months earlier, on April 10, 1963.) Would the rationale be that he needed live target practice for the main event? As the expression goes, please.       

One footnote to this: Whatever group was allegedly behind Oswald, Walker, a virulent right winger who was one of the leaders of the John Birch Society in Dallas, would represent to their interests the exact opposite of what the moderately liberal JFK would. So there wouldn?t have been any commonality between the intended victims.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2018, 09:12:19 AM »
Absolutely correct, where are all of these "clandestine meetings" with espionage agents? They are nowhere to be found, we know what Oswald was doing almost all the time, no suspicious contacts.

Patsy? Why? Because LHO squealed about the FBI following him around? He wanted to see himself as a scape goat. Oh, yeah, let's take the word of a wife beater and use pretzel logic.

What "clandestine meetings"? Regardsless of your foolish claim, you really haven't got a clue what Oswald did "almost all the time". In fact, you can't even account for the time Oswald is supposed to go to the postoffice and arrange the money order for the purchase of the rifle?..

You probably don't (and likely never will) know every single person who he associated with in New Orleans and where he went. You also do not know exactly who he met and where he went on week days when he was by himself in Oak Cliff. 


Patsy? Why? Because LHO squealed about the FBI following him around? He wanted to see himself as a scape goat. Oh, yeah, let's take the word of a wife beater and use pretzel logic.


You clearly don't get the point I was making. Nobody is taking Oswald's word for anything.
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Offline Steve Howsley

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2018, 10:46:58 AM »
What "clandestine meetings"? Regardsless of your foolish claim, you really haven't got a clue what Oswald did "almost all the time". In fact, you can't even account for the time Oswald is supposed to go to the postoffice and arrange the money order for the purchase of the rifle?..

You probably don't (and likely never will) know every single who he associated with in New Orleans and where he went. You also do not know exactly who he met and where he went on week days when he was by himself in Oak Cliff. 

Do you know where your parents were on a day by day, hour by hour basis 30+ years ago? Do you know where they spent every last dollar of their income? Did they try to hide their movements from you and others or were they normal outgoing people? If they were normal well adjusted people despite much of their time not being unaccounted for what exactly is the point you are trying to make in relation to Oswald a notoriously secretive person?
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2018, 11:32:19 AM »
Do you know where your parents were on a day by day, hour by hour basis 30+ years ago? Do you know where they spent every last dollar of their income? Did they try to hide their movements from you and others or were they normal outgoing people? If they were normal well adjusted people despite much of their time not being unaccounted for what exactly is the point you are trying to make in relation to Oswald a notoriously secretive person?

The point I made is clear and obvious, but just in case you missed it; the foolish claim below is total BS


we know what Oswald was doing almost all the time


for one simple reason; we don't know what Oswald was doing when he was alone in Oak Cliff or New Orleans. 

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2018, 11:32:19 AM »