Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"

[Bill Chapman]

Find and post a link that cites this officially and I will apologize for calling you a lemming.

trou?ble?mak?er
ˈtrəbəlˌmākər
noun
noun: troublemaker; a person who habitually causes difficulty or problems


TESTIMONY OF ROBERT L. STOVALL
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/stova_ro.htm

Mr. STOVALL. He sought employment at another company here in town, a printing company.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the name of that company?
Mr. STOVALL. Padgett Printing Co.--Padgett Printing and Lithographing Co., and the superintendent over there called me and he gave us as a reference.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know the superintendent's name?
Mr. STOVALL. Ted Gangel.
 
(...)
 
Mr. JENNER. They are here in Dallas?
Mr. STOVALL Yes--he's their superintendent. He called me and asked me and I told him I did not know, but I would check, so I asked John Graef and they said this fellow was kind of an oddball, and he was kinda peculiar sometimes and that he had had some knowledge of the Russian language, which--this is all I knew, so I told Ted, I said, "Ted, I don't know, this guy may be a damn Communist. I can't tell you. If I was you, I wouldn't hire him."

(...)

Mr. STOVALL. I don't believe so. There was such a short period of time this fellow worked for us and he was a constant source of irritation because of his lack of productive ability, that----
Mr. JENNER. Would you elaborate on that, please?
Mr. STOVALL. We would ask him to reduce a line to 4 inches in width, that happened to be 6, and he might make it 4 1/4 or 3 7/8, and this was a loss in labor and materials both, and it had to be redone.
Mr. JENNER. Did this occur with greater frequency than you thought--than your people thought was permissible, having in mind the progress which you would expect of him or a man in his position to have attained?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes; that's true.
Mr. JENNER. What about his relations with others in the company---other employees-how did he get along, or did that come to your attention?
Mr. STOVALL I don't think anyone liked him or disliked him either one. He was just one of those people you don't know. If you don't know a guy, you can't know if you don't like him. That's probably the main reason we don't like him. Someone made mention in one instance that he bumped them in a dark room, which is a walkway area, and if a guy's bent over a tray and somebody else is coming by--he will get bumped, and it depends on who is doing the bumping, whether you get upset about it or not.
Mr. JENNER. Well, it can be done without taking offense to one another?
Mr. STOVALL. There's nothing at all wrong in it. There's no pain at all in saying "Excuse me."
Mr. JENNER. Yes; and apparently he was not inclined to do that.
Mr. STOVALL. It seems that that's so---yes.

[Bill Chapman]

I just made a false assumption like every LNer does here. Stovall isn't exactly a common name. So every time you are mistaken (which is all the bloody time) you're a damn liar? Aren't you taking this a little too personally, dufus?

"Well, we lemmings do our research." 

"I just made a false assumption like every LNer does here. Stovall isn't exactly a common name"
>>> Huh? I immediately red-flagged the Stovall name coincidence. No false assumption on my part. I do my research. You only look for convenient ways to trick people into buying into your daffy theories. Then shuck & jive by trying to lay blame elsewhere. Typical CTer.

"So every time you are mistaken (which is all the bloody time*) you're a damn liar?"
>>> What? You brainiacs call us liars in every post. LOL


* Excuse me? Are you still claiming that DPD Stovall and JCS Stovall are the same person?

[John Mytton]

25. Oswald told Marina he didn?t care for his job at the Book Depository Building, and as late as November 9 (Ruth Paine thinks it may have been November 2),65 just thirteen days before the assassination, he applied for a job, per Marina, at ?some photographic? company but did not get it.66 So up to thirteen days before the assassination, or twenty at the most, Oswald sought a job that would have taken him away from his sniper?s nest right above the president?s limousine. Some conspiracy.
RHVB



JohnM

[John Mytton]

26. We know why Oswald shot Kennedy from the Book Depository Building. He worked there. Besides, no better opportunity to kill Kennedy would probably ever come to him. But if a powerful organization like the CIA, KGB, or organized crime, with vast resources at its disposal, decided to kill the president of the United States, obviously it would reconnoiter assassination sites around the country where the president was scheduled to be, searching for the very best one it could find. With this in mind, why in the world would any of these groups have chosen a location for their hit man that had a giant and heavily foliaged oak tree obstructing his view of the president during several of the critical seconds in which he would want to be tracking and shooting the president? And why would they choose to shoot the president at a time when at least 80 percent of his body was concealed and protected by the body of his limousine?
RHVB



JohnM

[Ray Mitcham]

25. Oswald told Marina he didn?t care for his job at the Book Depository Building, and as late as November 9 (Ruth Paine thinks it may have been November 2),65 just thirteen days before the assassination, he applied for a job, per Marina, at ?some photographic? company but did not get it.66 So up to thirteen days before the assassination, or twenty at the most, Oswald sought a job that would have taken him away from his sniper?s nest right above the president?s limousine. Some conspiracy.
RHVB

And some lone assassin. The Bug is doing a great job of proving Oswald was never the gunman. Why would he move jobs if he intended to assassinated the President?

Keep posting John. These are getting better and better.

[Ray Mitcham]

26. We know why Oswald shot Kennedy from the Book Depository Building. He worked there. Besides, no better opportunity to kill Kennedy would probably ever come to him. But if a powerful organization like the CIA, KGB, or organized crime, with vast resources at its disposal, decided to kill the president of the United States, obviously it would reconnoiter assassination sites around the country where the president was scheduled to be, searching for the very best one it could find. With this in mind, why in the world would any of these groups have chosen a location for their hit man that had a giant and heavily foliaged oak tree obstructing his view of the president during several of the critical seconds in which he would want to be tracking and shooting the president? And why would they choose to shoot the president at a time when at least 80 percent of his body was concealed and protected by the body of his limousine?
RHVB



JohnM

 I thought the Bug said he wanted to move jobs. 

[John Iacoletti]

1. Perhaps the most powerful single piece of evidence that there was no conspiracy in the murder of President Kennedy is simply the fact that after all these years there is no credible evidence, direct or circumstantial, that any of the persons or groups suspected by conspiracy theorists

We'll call this Fallacious Bugliosi Argument 1.

The first fallacy is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The second fallacy is that "credible evidence" is lawyer rhetoric for "I'm dismissing anything that doesn't fit my preconceived conclusion".

Otherwise, all I have to say is "there is no credible evidence that Oswald killed Kennedy" and we're done.

And in the conspiracy prosecutions I have conducted, I have always been able to present direct evidence of the co-conspirators acting in concert before, during, or after the crime, and/or circumstantial evidence from which a reasonable inference of concert or meeting of the minds could be made.

Oh, you mean like several witnesses reporting having seen Ruby, Tippit, and/or Oswald together prior to November 22?  Yeah, I know, that's not "credible".  Because....reasons.

[John Iacoletti]

Fallacious Bugliosi Argument #3.  Appeal to ridicule.